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    To be fair, I've been told by many I was "wrong" about quite a lot of things.

    I was wrong that Eureka sucked...then they made Bozja better...I was wrong that we needed a 4th healer...now Sage is a thing...I was wrong that gender-locked races were a comically bad decision...now everyone is making bunny boys...you get the picture. How are you going to convince me that my ideas are the wrong ones when the devs eventually fixed most of the things I criticized? There is hardly a point in elaborating further when it is obvious to most people.

    By all means, enjoy limited Blue Mage while it lasts. In the end though, I won't be surprised if a day comes where it goes to the same place that affliction warlock Summoner went.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    I won't be surprised if a day comes where it goes to the same place that affliction warlock Summoner went.
    What does this mean?

    Are you saying you wouldn't be surprised if BLU got a big reword like SMN will be getting?

    Or is affliction warlock Summoner a reference to another game?

    Or is this a reference to an older state of FF14's SMN I don't know about?

    Is this an FF11 thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItMe View Post
    What does this mean?

    Are you saying you wouldn't be surprised if BLU got a big reword like SMN will be getting?

    Or is affliction warlock Summoner a reference to another game?

    Or is this a reference to an older state of FF14's SMN I don't know about?

    Is this an FF11 thing?
    "Affliction warlock Summoner" is a bit of a meme because...FFXIV's summoner didn't feel like much of one due to its focus on poisons and disease. Since it's mechanics were directly copied from warlock back when ARR was being made.

    In the end, due to player feedback the job was reworked to great praise in the last live letter where we finally saw our egis disappear for good. The only people mad about it were a small, but disproportionately loud minority on the forums and reddit. I can only hope that in the future that a non-limited Blue Mage finally able to play with others in current content receives such a warm welcome.

    We will likely see the exact same scenario play out again: huge swathes of people who were otherwise unwilling to give the job the time of day will be excited to try it, while the few remaining sardine mages will be shouting people down over how they "ruined their favorite job!" As if the job wasn't ruined by default for many by making it limited in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    "Affliction warlock Summoner" is [...]
    Ah, I see.
    Thank you for explaining that for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    "Affliction warlock Summoner" is a bit of a meme because...FFXIV's summoner didn't feel like much of one due to its focus on poisons and disease.
    Yes, but the difference is Classic Summoner has always been a job focused on burst damage through the means of summoned entities, while games like 11 expanded that to being a variation of a pet job. Despite the job having a number of DoTs, the primary umbrage taken with 14's iteration 'disrespecting the Classic Summoner' was that the DoTs were more effective than its summons due to the pet AI, as well as the number of skills that bypassed or ignored them entirely. So the revamp to SMN re-examined its relationship with its summons, and pulled the job more in line with its Classical iteration.

    Meanwhile, BLU is already quite close to its Classic iteration because it isn't restricted by "competitive balance", and trying to rebalance it into a full job would pull it further away from that. You're arguing in the opposite direction of your example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    To be fair, I've been told by many I was "wrong" about quite a lot of things.
    Depressing.

    Not the catch-all you think it is.

    I was wrong that we needed a 4th healer...now Sage is a thing...
    Um, literally what are you even talking about?

    Nobody said "We're never having another healer." The argument that always derailed threads about adding new healers was that they wanted the existing healers to be adjusted first before adding a new one.
    At worst, we got a few specific cases like "We're never getting Time Mage as a healer because we already have Astrologian which has many of the same skills and themes."
    And much like with the addition of GNB leading to a Tank revamp, they used the addition of a new healer as an opportunity to examine the flaws of the role as a whole so that it could have a niche, so it was never even "one or the other."

    The critical failure on your part to read people's intentions really tells me that you were missing the forest for the trees when people were telling you "you're wrong", and I have to wonder how many of those other cases are similarly stolen valor.

    By all means, enjoy limited Blue Mage while it lasts. In the end though, I won't be surprised if a day comes where it goes to the same place that affliction warlock Summoner went.
    Odds were better about them removing fairies from SCH in EW. But it's just too intrinsic to the identity of the job in 14 for them to shift gears on that now.
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    Last edited by Archwizard; 10-08-2021 at 06:53 AM.