What's the Healer rush?

[Roeshel]

I started 3 months ago, in a few occasions I had a healer or even DPS rushing ahead. But it’s genuinely a stupid move because if you’re trying to pull multiple packs, you need to get that first aggro, that first AoE right.

In my case those doing this were mentors, so yea I’m starting to understand where to meme came from.

Having DPS classes with great AoE and burst make the whole thing easier too, in my experience the smoothest run was with a ninja and machinist.

You also don’t know how the healer plays, so best thing is pull 2 pack and see how it goes from there.

What meme? Most healer mentors are not even DPSing properly let alone rushing sprout tanks.

Also, you don't need to get the first AoE right, just self-heal and all mobs are going to be targeting you. GNB has Aurora, WAR has Equilibrium, PLD has Clemency, Dark Knight has a barrier, and Abyssal Drain. All mobs will be targeting you once you self-heal with Stance on. All you need to do as a tank is press W and move. You should start worrying about getting AoE right after you have stopped pulling.

[Saraide]

What meme? Most healer mentors are not even DPSing properly let alone rushing sprout tanks.

Also, you don't need to get the first AoE right, just self-heal and all mobs are going to be targeting you. GNB has Aurora, WAR has Equilibrium, PLD has Clemency, Dark Knight has a barrier, and Abyssal Drain. All mobs will be targeting you once you self-heal with Stance on. All you need to do as a tank is press W and move. You should start worrying about getting AoE right after you have stopped pulling.

One or two auto attacks on another player also arent going to kill them either. Everyone can help out a tank by stacking up with them in case they happen to have aggro on a mob or two.

[Rinhi]

30 min is BS, sorry. Just pure hyperbole.

you know what's BS? this attitude that's plaguing the forums and other communities about this, and, hell, other non-MMO games even
consider yourself lucky if you haven't experienced those, but 30 (sometims even 60 or more ) minute dungeon runs do exist and, no matter how many times posts like yours try to discredit other posters' experiences as made up lies, some players are just THAT bad
of course these are always outliers even for a DF run but literally no one says that those 30 minute (or more) dungeons are the norm anywhere, not even in the most toxic reddit/4chan threads
hell, recently I had a 35 minute run of heroes gauntlet where I single-handedly carried the whole run by doing more than half the party damage alone because I was too stubborn/trusting to leave after the first freaking pull took way and I mean wayyyy too long even for a random DF run
I've also had multiple WoD runs that took an hour or more because people just refused to DPS, do mechs or, well, do anything, but is that the norm? no, but it happened
stop trying to invalidate the experiences other players have had in this game and accuse them of lying

[Liam_Harper]

Firstly let me say I've come from WoW so I'm used to a M+ environment where it's all about killing everything as fast as you can chain pulling ect

It was the same for me. I tanked exclusively in WoW, did a lot of high keys and I was very used to blitzing through dungeons at high speed. I don't go slow when I tank. FF14 however is something different entirely. In a lot of cases it's perfectly fine and your group is happy, but then from time to time you get that group that is literally just there to try and outspeed you so they can Rescue or blame you. If you complain, you're the bad guy for having a "tank ego" and the forums will rant about slow pulling tanks and how you deserve it, despite the fact you were cutting a fast pace. It's extremely rare that I see an actual slow tank, but I've seen a fair share of "go go go" groups in runs that are proceeding quickly. Meanwhile no one bats an eyelid at the healbot or the dps doing half the damage they should be.

I just quit running random dungeons on tank. Full stop. I wasn't wanted, so I don't play the role in DF. FF14 has a wonderful community in many ways, but they treat tanks terribly. In ff14 the tank is just the group slave, a weak dps sweeping brush for mobs.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

30 min is BS, sorry. Just pure hyperbole.

When I heal, and the tank goes wall to wall, but the DPS can't get stuff killed in time, eventually, I'll run out of mana/instants, too, especially when coupled with a rather weak tank.
A group consists of four players, not the one bored guy who's been around for longer than is good for one's psyche.

But guess what? Those kind of runs in fact do exist.

How? Take at least 2 or 3 underperforming players---single targeting DPS, netflix healer, unga bunga single pulling tank, auto attacking BRD, ice mage, mudraless NIN, freestyle SAM---you name it. Shove them all in a single run. Suddenly all these 30m 'nightmares' are actually a real thing. Of course one would ask: what are the odds of having 3 of these kind of players matched into one single run? Pretty low perhaps. But that's the point: it's just quite uncommon occurrence amongst many other mediocre/average DF runs; it's not the norm.

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

I had terrible groups, where I basically carried the run as healer, and none of them took 30 minutes.

But that's what's to be expected on these forums, melodrama and hyperbole.

As if Yoshi-P read this and went to work on wish fulfilment immediately.

[RinaB]

I am pretty much done with xiv because of the way classes are designed. I have mained a tank for 3 years and if you get a healer who actually does their job you're expected to feel grateful for it. Healers are whiners, pull all the time, ruin what could be easy runs and its all because of bad game design. Healers in xiv are toxic and they blow smoke up each other's asses which breeds more toxicity. The never ending boring homogenization of this game is also a massive problem.

[Saraide]

I am pretty much done with xiv because of the way classes are designed. I have mained a tank for 3 years and if you get a healer who actually does their job you're expected to feel grateful for it. Healers are whiners, pull all the time, ruin what could be easy runs and its all because of bad game design. Healers in xiv are toxic and they blow smoke up each other's asses which breeds more toxicity. The never ending boring homogenization of this game is also a massive problem.

Other people can only pull what you havent already, if you've been playing tank for 3 years and people still have to pull for you that sounds like you are still just single pulling at this point and that would be pretty sad.

[Juun]

So why is it with healers you're in such a god damn rush?

I kinda feel it's such a different attitude compared to everything else I've experience from the FF community.

Id say level a healer and find out yourself why we tell you to pick up more.

You might have a whole array of button to press when tanking or dpsing but if the only three attacks you have is a dot, single target and an aoe attack. And no group damage to heal you want a little action too.

If your healer says to pick up more its not cause they wanna go go go or maybe a little but also because they wanna have something to do too instead of press 1 button over and over.

[Crorinu]

What in the name of Hydaelyn are all these toxic replies? Seriously???
No. All of y'all got bad takes that make the game less fun for new players.
When you, a new player, come into a dungeon and tell people 'Hey, it's my first time in here.' that's where the other players need to accommodate YOU. DO NOT 'pull more' just because a healer is bored. Healer bored? They have DPS abilities, they can use those. DO NOT leave your comfort zone until you're ready. I have a zero tolerance policy for people who pull when I'm tanking. If you want to pull the mobs, be the tank. Plain and simple. I've literally stood back and watched a MCH die after they pulled a ton of stuff. I didn't use AoE while killing what went on the healer because of fairy aggro. Healer dismissed their fairy. The other DPS also stood back. We all watched this guy run around me in a panic until he died. Then I turned my Grit back on, picked up the trash, and went about my tanky business. Shocker, he didn't pull for me again.
I mained a healer last expansion when I first started playing, and I also main a healer in WoW. The mentality XIV healers seem to have is toxic. I encourage you to call it out. When a dps or healer decide to pull, that's when they need to learn to tank. We all have roles for a reason. When I first started playing I got yelled at a LOT by DPS because I wasn't DPSing as a WHM. Luckily my friend tanked every dungeon for me and is a mentor, so he told them to shut up and let me figure it out at my own pace. Now I DPS and heal just fine because I was allowed to go at my own pace.
I'd gladly heal the rest of your dungeons if needed, just so you can have an enjoyable experience and learn at your own pace.

Happy travels!