What's the Healer rush?

[Vahlnir]

Maybe you shouldn't play an mmo if you think your one tank experience should trump the experience of three other people in the group?

Maybe don't play tank if you can't take the dps and healers wnating to go faster.

Or maybe, just maybe, there could be some sort of understanding that the DF is going to be random all the way around. It is not going to be a pleasant experience 100% of the time, though one's standards on what is considered "pleasant" may vary. So, people can either deal with that fact or don't queue at all. I'd be okay with some people not queueing, personally. It's less drama that I have to see, not that I see much to begin with.

[Nethereal]

30 min is BS, sorry. Just pure hyperbole.

When I heal, and the tank goes wall to wall, but the DPS can't get stuff killed in time, eventually, I'll run out of mana/instants, too, especially when coupled with a rather weak tank.
A group consists of four players, not the one bored guy who's been around for longer than is good for one's psyche.

Tbh if it's that bad even more reason to simply leave imo. The only healer that should run out of resources (when played properly) with simple 2-3 pack wall2wall pulls is SCH simply because they have the worst mana efficiency to GCD unless they crit.
Now if you're talking about the big boi pulls similar to Shisui of the Violet Tides where you go for the 4-5 pull yeah you need a preem team for that.

Otherwise regardless of gear or dps as long as the healer knows how to keep the tank targeted, use their GCDs, and use lucid on CD, it'll be fine.
Unless there's a situation like in Satasha where half the tanks gear is New Emperor's armor and you need to make a macro for healing them x15 in a row because single packs do 1/3rd their hp in one tic of damage.

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

Maybe you shouldn't play an mmo if you think your one tank experience should trump the experience of three other people in the group?

Maybe don't play tank if you can't take the dps and healers wnating to go faster.

What do you mean? I'm having a hard time understanding what you say.

[Arkdra]

That's called 'you pull it, you tank it', perhaps you should stop volunteering to do the tanks job by pulling ahead.. because yes, you are going to get tanks who will happily let you try your hand at being a green tank.

Also, 'ego that needs a reality check', coming from a healer who will pull and dump it on the tank? Pot calling the kettle black?

This basically never comes up, but on the off chance it did, it would be trivial for the healer to keep themself and a tank up against 2 packs and I would absolutely vote kick the tank in this made up scenario. Do your job tank, it's the piss easiest role in the game.

In actuality, I will say please pull more and either they do or they don't and that's life. Can't win em all. Honestly, most tanks will pull right regardless, the only place this is not the case is 567 roulette which is the land of the single pullers and I will always queue for that as a tank when I need the poes for something just to not have to put up with it.

[Kozh]

Firstly let me say I've come from WoW so I'm used to a M+ environment where it's all about killing everything as fast as you can chain pulling ect

However when I came to FF and did dungeons almost everyone has been ok at the speed I go through a dungeon at (I'm a warrior) I say almost because on the few occasions that I've had someone in my group who has been the "go go go" guy it's always a healer.

Now I'm not saying I'm without blame in these cases but for the first time I go into a dungeon, I don't know how bad the mobs might hurt ect so I will air on the side of caution and so maybe I do go a little slow. I do always mention if it's the first time I'm doing a dungeon. The last case was the dungeon Doma Castle. The build up to this dungeon was awesome and I was looking forward to it. Instead what I had was a level 80 healer spent the entire dungeon running ahead of the group, barely healing me at all (on one group of mobs letting me die as he didn't cast a single healing spell)

As a healer, I also don't understand this mentality. We healer only have one aoe button. Whether it's single pack or more, we only spam that one button while occasionally healer the tank via ogcd. I don't consider hectic healing as the tank hp plummet as "interesting rotation". If the tank is good, big pull is as interesting as single pulling since they don't need to be healed that much.

The only argument for big pull is the speed, which honestly when I sign up for leveling roulette, I already expect to get sprouts, people new to dungeon, etc. Cool if I get to clear fast, but not surprised it the dungeon took longer than usual. So if I'm pressed on time, I will just skip the roulette.

[TaleraRistain]

A lot do it because of ego. They think you aren't pulling everything they can handle. That you died makes it pretty clear this healer needs to reassess that particular belief. Every tank isn't the same and what works for one won't always work for another. As healers, the most important thing we should be is flexible.

I don't care if a tank pulls small. I'll help dps more. My Holy still works whether it's big or small. I let them know I have their back if they want to experiment, but I'm cool with going at their pace. A lot take me up on it when they see I'm not going to get butthurt if they pull small. Rescuing or berating someone is going to have the exact opposite effect. The only person someone can control is their own self. And for everyone else, if you want something, then you need to communicate and sometimes compromise.

[FoxyAreku]

The real reason is because most dungeons don't require a healer anymore unless you chain pull due to all the nerfs they've undergone so most healers feel like they don't get to play their role unless you go fast and pull a lot, which is really understandable. Everything hits like a wet noodle in this game's dungeons now.

[Caurcas]

A small pulling tank is a tank that is doing it wrong. You correct wrong play.

[Roeshel]

Or maybe, just maybe, there could be some sort of understanding that the DF is going to be random all the way around. It is not going to be a pleasant experience 100% of the time, though one's standards on what is considered "pleasant" may vary. So, people can either deal with that fact or don't queue at all. I'd be okay with some people not queueing, personally. It's less drama that I have to see, not that I see much to begin with.

The same could be said for the tanks expecting things to go as slow as possible. They should understand that it is DF and they will get matched with completely random people, some of them being rushing healers.

The only argument for big pull is the speed, which honestly when I sign up for leveling roulette, I already expect to get sprouts, people new to dungeon, etc. Cool if I get to clear fast, but not surprised it the dungeon took longer than usual. So if I'm pressed on time, I will just skip the roulette.

There is nothing more boring than healing damage that is not preventing death. Two-Three mobs in 99% of the dungeons cannot kill the tank even if the healer doesn't heal. And it is not like you have a DPS rotation to keep you engaged. Pulling big is not only about speed but also about making the healer's job relevant.

People, who allegedly play or main a healing job but do not understand the rushing, are people who actually don't know how to play a healing job in FFXIV.

With that said, I will rush absolutely any tank. Some tanks even like that since I have gotten 3x comms in runs where I rushed them.

[True-to-Caesar]

I started 3 months ago, in a few occasions I had a healer or even DPS rushing ahead. But it’s genuinely a stupid move because if you’re trying to pull multiple packs, you need to get that first aggro, that first AoE right.

In my case those doing this were mentors, so yea I’m starting to understand where the meme came from.

Having DPS classes with great AoE and burst make the whole thing easier too, in my experience the smoothest run was with a ninja and machinist.

You also don’t know how the healer plays, so best thing is pull 2 pack and see how it goes from there.