What's the Healer rush?

[RinaB]

I am pretty much done with xiv because of the way classes are designed. I have mained a tank for 3 years and if you get a healer who actually does their job you're expected to feel grateful for it. Healers are whiners, pull all the time, ruin what could be easy runs and its all because of bad game design. Healers in xiv are toxic and they blow smoke up each other's asses which breeds more toxicity. The never ending boring homogenization of this game is also a massive problem.

[Saraide]

I am pretty much done with xiv because of the way classes are designed. I have mained a tank for 3 years and if you get a healer who actually does their job you're expected to feel grateful for it. Healers are whiners, pull all the time, ruin what could be easy runs and its all because of bad game design. Healers in xiv are toxic and they blow smoke up each other's asses which breeds more toxicity. The never ending boring homogenization of this game is also a massive problem.

Other people can only pull what you havent already, if you've been playing tank for 3 years and people still have to pull for you that sounds like you are still just single pulling at this point and that would be pretty sad.

[Juun]

So why is it with healers you're in such a god damn rush?

I kinda feel it's such a different attitude compared to everything else I've experience from the FF community.

Id say level a healer and find out yourself why we tell you to pick up more.

You might have a whole array of button to press when tanking or dpsing but if the only three attacks you have is a dot, single target and an aoe attack. And no group damage to heal you want a little action too.

If your healer says to pick up more its not cause they wanna go go go or maybe a little but also because they wanna have something to do too instead of press 1 button over and over.

[Crorinu]

What in the name of Hydaelyn are all these toxic replies? Seriously???
No. All of y'all got bad takes that make the game less fun for new players.
When you, a new player, come into a dungeon and tell people 'Hey, it's my first time in here.' that's where the other players need to accommodate YOU. DO NOT 'pull more' just because a healer is bored. Healer bored? They have DPS abilities, they can use those. DO NOT leave your comfort zone until you're ready. I have a zero tolerance policy for people who pull when I'm tanking. If you want to pull the mobs, be the tank. Plain and simple. I've literally stood back and watched a MCH die after they pulled a ton of stuff. I didn't use AoE while killing what went on the healer because of fairy aggro. Healer dismissed their fairy. The other DPS also stood back. We all watched this guy run around me in a panic until he died. Then I turned my Grit back on, picked up the trash, and went about my tanky business. Shocker, he didn't pull for me again.
I mained a healer last expansion when I first started playing, and I also main a healer in WoW. The mentality XIV healers seem to have is toxic. I encourage you to call it out. When a dps or healer decide to pull, that's when they need to learn to tank. We all have roles for a reason. When I first started playing I got yelled at a LOT by DPS because I wasn't DPSing as a WHM. Luckily my friend tanked every dungeon for me and is a mentor, so he told them to shut up and let me figure it out at my own pace. Now I DPS and heal just fine because I was allowed to go at my own pace.
I'd gladly heal the rest of your dungeons if needed, just so you can have an enjoyable experience and learn at your own pace.

Happy travels!

[Saraide]

What in the name of Hydaelyn are all these toxic replies? Seriously???
No. All of y'all got bad takes that make the game less fun for new players.
When you, a new player, come into a dungeon and tell people 'Hey, it's my first time in here.' that's where the other players need to accommodate YOU. DO NOT 'pull more' just because a healer is bored. Healer bored? They have DPS abilities, they can use those. DO NOT leave your comfort zone until you're ready. I have a zero tolerance policy for people who pull when I'm tanking. If you want to pull the mobs, be the tank. Plain and simple. I've literally stood back and watched a MCH die after they pulled a ton of stuff. I didn't use AoE while killing what went on the healer because of fairy aggro. Healer dismissed their fairy. The other DPS also stood back. We all watched this guy run around me in a panic until he died. Then I turned my Grit back on, picked up the trash, and went about my tanky business. Shocker, he didn't pull for me again.
I mained a healer last expansion when I first started playing, and I also main a healer in WoW. The mentality XIV healers seem to have is toxic. I encourage you to call it out. When a dps or healer decide to pull, that's when they need to learn to tank. We all have roles for a reason. When I first started playing I got yelled at a LOT by DPS because I wasn't DPSing as a WHM. Luckily my friend tanked every dungeon for me and is a mentor, so he told them to shut up and let me figure it out at my own pace. Now I DPS and heal just fine because I was allowed to go at my own pace.
I'd gladly heal the rest of your dungeons if needed, just so you can have an enjoyable experience and learn at your own pace.

Happy travels!

Being new to a dungeon is no excuse to RP as sandbag. Dungeon mobs are just the same everywhere. All tanks have to do is aoe and occasionally push a mitigation button. I hate how some people in this thread act like new players just do not have a brain at all and that just hitting their two part aoe combo is too far advanced for them. You learn nothing by single pulling, you arent even needed for single pulling and if you are past the first few dungeons you should start to learn that. Your behavior encourages bad play and you are denying new people their chance to learn. That's really bad.

You literally admit to griefing in this post, I hope your ego is proud of you.

[Lanadra]

What in the name of Hydaelyn are all these toxic replies? Seriously???
No. All of y'all got bad takes that make the game less fun for new players.
When you, a new player, come into a dungeon and tell people 'Hey, it's my first time in here.' that's where the other players need to accommodate YOU. DO NOT 'pull more' just because a healer is bored. Healer bored? They have DPS abilities, they can use those. DO NOT leave your comfort zone until you're ready. I have a zero tolerance policy for people who pull when I'm tanking. If you want to pull the mobs, be the tank. Plain and simple. I've literally stood back and watched a MCH die after they pulled a ton of stuff. I didn't use AoE while killing what went on the healer because of fairy aggro. Healer dismissed their fairy. The other DPS also stood back. We all watched this guy run around me in a panic until he died. Then I turned my Grit back on, picked up the trash, and went about my tanky business. Shocker, he didn't pull for me again.
I mained a healer last expansion when I first started playing, and I also main a healer in WoW. The mentality XIV healers seem to have is toxic. I encourage you to call it out. When a dps or healer decide to pull, that's when they need to learn to tank. We all have roles for a reason. When I first started playing I got yelled at a LOT by DPS because I wasn't DPSing as a WHM. Luckily my friend tanked every dungeon for me and is a mentor, so he told them to shut up and let me figure it out at my own pace. Now I DPS and heal just fine because I was allowed to go at my own pace.
I'd gladly heal the rest of your dungeons if needed, just so you can have an enjoyable experience and learn at your own pace.

Happy travels!

The funny thing is, some of these people are literally like 'tank do your job' while they insist on interfering with the tanks job.. a job that includes setting the pace, tank sets the pace, not the DPS, not the healer, the tank. Their job is to pull and to decide how much to pull, thus setting the pace of the dungeon.

If you want it faster as a healer.. communicate, tell the tank you're more than comfortable with bigger pulls.. good chance is that 9 out of 10 tanks will step it up to accommodate you.. shocking right? Perhaps inquire on whether the tank in question may not be comfortable with a certain dungeon yet and that such may be why they may not be pulling as fast as you think they should. Anything more constructive than 'i no like your pace so now i pull for you, adjust' or even worse, rescue griefing. It's that kind of behavior that ultimately causes the tank to either say or do a 'you pull it, you tank it' that some of you find oh so horrible.

[Saraide]

The funny thing is, some of these people are literally like 'tank do your job' while they insist on interfering with the tanks job.. a job that includes setting the pace, tank sets the pace, not the DPS, not the healer, the tank. Their job is to pull and to decide how much to pull, thus setting the pace of the dungeon.

If you want it faster as a healer.. communicate, tell the tank you're more than comfortable with bigger pulls.. good chance is that 9 out of 10 tanks will step it up to accommodate you.. shocking right? Perhaps inquire on whether the tank in question may not be comfortable with a certain dungeon yet and that such may be why they may not be pulling as fast as you think they should. Anything more constructive than 'i no like your pace so now i pull for you, adjust' or even worse, rescue griefing. It's that kind of behavior that ultimately causes the tank to either say or do a 'you pull it, you tank it' that some of you find oh so horrible.

A DPS' job is to deal damage, more mobs means more damage because AoEs hit more. It is actually everyone's job to deal damage even. The tank is not the one who sets the pace, you are not the leader, you are the meatshield. There is only one way for a tank to not take aggro over something a dps pulls towards them and that is by actively choosing to sandbag the team. If you just keep aoe'ing, you'd automatically take aggro.

[LittleImp]

Anything more constructive than 'i no like your pace so now i pull for you, adjust' or even worse, rescue griefing. It's that kind of behavior that ultimately causes the tank to either say or do a 'you pull it, you tank it' that some of you find oh so horrible.

Even if you don't like it, this kind of behavior isn't griefing. Griefing is largely determined by the intent of the player; If a players primary goal is to increase the efficiency of the group, it isn't really griefing.

Griefing is when you prioritizing ruining the experience of another player over your or your groups success. If you'd like a great example of genuine griefing, look no further than the very post you quoted:

I've literally stood back and watched a MCH die after they pulled a ton of stuff. I didn't use AoE while killing what went on the healer because of fairy aggro. Healer dismissed their fairy. The other DPS also stood back. We all watched this guy run around me in a panic until he died. Then I turned my Grit back on, picked up the trash, and went about my tanky business. Shocker, he didn't pull for me again.

Of note, it's funny how in this persons totally true story their team is somehow competent enough to wordlessly coordinate griefing another player, and then deftly handle an unexpectedly large pull with a DPS down, but wasn't competent enough to handle actual coordinated large pulls in the first place.

[Teno]

What in the name of Hydaelyn are all these toxic replies? Seriously???
No. All of y'all got bad takes that make the game less fun for new players.
When you, a new player, come into a dungeon and tell people 'Hey, it's my first time in here.' that's where the other players need to accommodate YOU. DO NOT 'pull more' just because a healer is bored. Healer bored? They have DPS abilities, they can use those. DO NOT leave your comfort zone until you're ready. I have a zero tolerance policy for people who pull when I'm tanking. If you want to pull the mobs, be the tank. Plain and simple. I've literally stood back and watched a MCH die after they pulled a ton of stuff. I didn't use AoE while killing what went on the healer because of fairy aggro. Healer dismissed their fairy. The other DPS also stood back. We all watched this guy run around me in a panic until he died. Then I turned my Grit back on, picked up the trash, and went about my tanky business. Shocker, he didn't pull for me again.
I mained a healer last expansion when I first started playing, and I also main a healer in WoW. The mentality XIV healers seem to have is toxic. I encourage you to call it out. When a dps or healer decide to pull, that's when they need to learn to tank. We all have roles for a reason. When I first started playing I got yelled at a LOT by DPS because I wasn't DPSing as a WHM. Luckily my friend tanked every dungeon for me and is a mentor, so he told them to shut up and let me figure it out at my own pace. Now I DPS and heal just fine because I was allowed to go at my own pace.
I'd gladly heal the rest of your dungeons if needed, just so you can have an enjoyable experience and learn at your own pace.

Happy travels!

And you make the game less fun for healers. They have the most terrible job, you should be sympathetic right ? This mentality of newcomers first has to stop, especially when the underlying issue is in part that gameplay for healers is terrible at max lvl. You can't satisfy everyone, but you can at least talk it through instead of being so adamant....

"Don't step out of your comfort zone", that's how the game gets bland real quick and makes newcomers quit after a short while.

Oh, and healers have ONE dps ability.
I also stop healing the tank when I see them not tanking after someone else pulled. But guess what, healing is not even needed then, even less when there's one pack ! Dungeons are so faceroll and boring, and infinitely more so as a healer. I'd go as far as to say that in the current context, you're basically telling your healer not to play when you pull one pack.

[Rinhi]

the group sets the pace, but keep saying it's not
also lol @ the person calling others toxic when they refuse to do the most simple job in the entire game because someone else pulled a mob, I hope you're trolling