Smn Rework Suggestions After LL

[aveyond-dreams]

I do not need to be a master chef to know when a dish doesn't taste good, and I don't need to be a SMN main for my opinion to count. I levelled the class to 80 in Shb and didn't like it. I gave it a fair chance. The dish has been sent back to the kitchen and a better one is now on its way. Why should I main a class I do not enjoy? I am also confused that you mention name calling? It has been commonplace to compare SMN more to warlock than an actual FF summoner since ARR.

Afflcition Warlock description taken from the main WoW site:
"A master of shadow magic who specializes in drains and damage-over-time spells."

In any case I support the direction the class is going in now and I am optimistic about its future. It will probably become my go to caster for several of my alts, which I'll boost to 80 once the next wave of job skip potions come out. Poison mage will join bow mage, gun mage, rDPS healing limit breaks, 4.0 dark arts spam, bards that can only sing to themselves, and old AST’s useless cards, along with many other bad design choices in the past where it belongs. There is no reason to go into any further depth because it's plain to see for most.

[Atomos]

I do not need to be a master chef to know when a dish doesn't taste good, and I don't need to be a SMN main for my opinion to count. I levelled the class to 80 in Shb and didn't like it. I gave it a fair chance. The dish has been sent back to the kitchen and a better one is now on its way. Why should I main a class I do not enjoy? I am also confused that you mention name calling? It has been commonplace to compare SMN more to warlock than an actual FF summoner since ARR.

Afflcition Warlock description taken from the main WoW site:
"A master of shadow magic who specializes in drains and damage-over-time spells."

In any case I support the direction the class is going in now and I am optimistic about its future. It will probably become my go to caster for several of my alts, which I'll boost to 80 once the next wave of job skip potions come out. Poison mage will join bow mage, gun mage, rDPS healing limit breaks, 4.0 dark arts spam, bards that can only sing to themselves, and old AST’s useless cards, along with many other bad design choices in the past where it belongs. There is no reason to go into any further depth because it's plain to see for most.

Agreed. SMN got super boring quickly when it first came out. The Egi mechanic was annoying and very aesthetically displeasing. HW not much changed, but in SB and ShB it only got slightly more pleasing with Bahamut and Phoenix. And now they are finally focusing on actual summoning instead of being the worst iteration of a summoner in the history of main FF games.

[Roda]

I do not need to be a master chef to know when a dish doesn't taste good, and I don't need to be a SMN main for my opinion to count. I levelled the class to 80 in Shb and didn't like it. I gave it a fair chance. The dish has been sent back to the kitchen and a better one is now on its way. Why should I main a class I do not enjoy? I am also confused that you mention name calling? It has been commonplace to compare SMN more to warlock than an actual FF summoner since ARR.

Afflcition Warlock description taken from the main WoW site:
"A master of shadow magic who specializes in drains and damage-over-time spells."

I don't need you to be a master chef, but I do need to know you understand what fish is. Because if someone kept sending a meal that they ordered back to my kitchen, I'd think they have no clue what they actually want.
A single sentence, heard second hand, is literally how the capybara is classified as a fish by the catholic church.

Now I will say the leveling process, especially after all these reworks is AGONIZINGLY BAD at teaching you how to play summoner. It is SO SOOOOOOOO BAD, that it even instills bad casting habits. Especially if you tried it in 5.0 and never touched it again. This is why I offer the training session, 'cause unfortunately the game doesn't provide that for you, and the progression path of summoner doesn't reflect the actual play of level 80 summoner. :T

SMN was originally designed with Arcanist in mind, the name "Summoner" didn't come about until after the mechanics of the job were made - Sage was the same. I'm guessing they chose "Summoner" because of the pet. Since then they've made it more of an actual Summoner every xpac which made a big ol' mess lol. Now we have people wanting all manner of different things for the same job and there's no pleasing everyone.

I do think they're going in the right direction, there's just going to be a lot of friction going forward no matter what. Personally I just want a job that has the same management play style as current SMN, idc what it's called. I still think it'd be best to split SMN off Arcanist so it can be its own thing - ideally replacing it with a new dot caster (but that"s just me wanting a dot caster).

I guarantee you that summoner is the way it is, is because the ps3 couldn't handle full summons. The entire storyline tries to justify not having them... until we do get them, but oops they committed on the visual design so hard in promotional art, class design, and story.