Broil

[Dogempire]

It definitely makes solo duties seem sadly hilarious.
"Wow you're such a peerless warrior in combat. It's really amazing watching you do what nobody else can!"

>Enters combat with Zenos or whoever
>Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil Broil

Gosh I wish I could teach my masterful techniques to you guys, but it would take you decades to learn such skillful combat powers.

Playing a healer in MSQ definitely feels a lot less WOL-esque than playing a tank or DPS.

It's kind of hard to get into character when you're basically falling asleep because you have another 5 broils before you can refresh your DOT and another 8 broils before you can start using energy drain and be a little less bored

[Jirah]

Exactly. Thematically the design of a 1-button spammer is absolutely absurd and ridiculous in FF14 lore.

But, beyond that I almost feel SCH developers hold the average player in the worst possible light--like they think the majority are so irredeemably stupid pressing 1 button endlessly is all they can handle.

Might be on to somthing here, as jobs get easier and content gets less mechanics. After the whole Healer thing, SMN joining MCH for the “guess how many buttons you can press in 9 seconds but that’s ok we are better cuz we are prettier” club. I’m convinced the devs think very low of player intelligence

[Gemina]

I can't do it anymore. I'm done. I can't take two more years of [Broil]. Now at increased speed. I get to press [Broil] more. Faster. More times per pull, more times per encounter. Just [Broil] forever. Sometimes [Biolysis]. Do we even still have Ruin II? No, just [Broil]. Once, twice, three times. Count to twenty six. Now count to twenty four. [Broil]
[Broil II]
[Broil III]
[Broilitude]
[Broil IV the broiltening]

How many [Broil] do I get to fit in betwen Biolysis?

At least I can go mildly faster whenever I [Broil]

To be technical, I don't think you will be able to cast it more. The cast time is 1.5s, but recast will remain on the GCD. What this will translate to is far less interruptions as the result of having to cancel a cast to avoid taking damage. A 1.5s cast time has to be cancelled nearly immediately for it to not still go off as a result of slide casting.

I get you point though and if it is any consolation, Broil upgrades are looking more and more like heat seeking technology, which does get a very two big thumbsup from me.

[Boizinho]

To be technical, I don't think you will be able to cast it more. The cast time is 1.5s, but recast will remain on the GCD. What this will translate to is far less interruptions as the result of having to cancel a cast to avoid taking damage. A 1.5s cast time has to be cancelled nearly immediately for it to not still go off as a result of slide casting.

I get you point though and if it is any consolation, Broil upgrades are looking more and more like heat seeking technology, which does get a very two big thumbsup from me.

Technically you will get more Broils in than before since you won't be weaving with Ruin II and clipping the GCD isn't an issue anymore. You might also get one extra cast off on a boss that's about to go invulnerable in less than 2.4 seconds.

Ruin II + Energy Drain making DPS-neutral oGCD heals cost 2 Aetherflow was one of the main things that made the job sort of interesting. Now it'll play like AST with no cards most likely.

[Gemina]

Technically you will get more Broils in than before since you won't be weaving with Ruin II and clipping the GCD isn't an issue anymore. You might also get one extra cast off on a boss that's about to go invulnerable in less than 2.4 seconds.

Ruin II + Energy Drain making DPS-neutral oGCD heals cost 2 Aetherflow was one of the main things that made the job sort of interesting. Now it'll play like AST with no cards most likely.

You can't cast more Broils than the GCD allows. There isn't a way around that. If less clipping results in more Broils cast, that is making up for lost ground. That is not quite the same. Like I said before though, I understand where the OP was coming from. However, I will say that it will be interesting to see what happens to Ruin 2+oGCD weaving now that it is no longer necessary. It would basically make it just a movement skill at that point. It might even get pruned.

[Mindiori]

People of the 'me me me' generation wanted their instant gratification for their vocal cry festival - and Yoshi delivered. I said years ago that the accessibility speech would be the dumbing down of wow all over again and despite the 'shut up wait and see' remarks - here we are. With a ''tactician'' who is so brainless a single button seems to be all it can manage. Now maybe I am wrong; and I take a dose of the 'people are different' like everyone else. But things are comparative in life are they not? You watch a trailer - its not hard to see which sticks out. You follow trends over entire years. Its not hard to see what sticks out. So when your gaming experience, job preference is neutered to this degree - one might ask, what is the 'job fantasy' of Scholars these days? Playing some sort of idiot who somehow got more mentally deficient the more reading they did? Lol. Silly yes but sometimes I wonder to the degree peoples logic seems to fail them.

I can't fathom a reality where SCH and other scenarios are acceptable. You can tow the '1% challenge' content routine ad nauseum - but if there wasn't an ability to jump between jobs on a single character; I suspect the players of the job would be somewhere near zero. It's not good enough. I don't know how you've put up with it so long. You deserve a medal in patience - and then some.

[Karthunk]

I've run Savages, I've run Extreme's, I've healed on every single Job for 8 fucking years. Only one healer is needed in most content, two healers is actually pointless once gearing hits a certain score. Healing in Savage really isn't that difficult, and consists really of just subsisting of of oGCD's.

You know NOTHING, and your ignorant statement shows it.

Need a Snickers? I know over exaggeration when I see it. Maybe playing a Sage will fill your need to click a few more dps buttons?

I pulled a random blue tier log just now for the sake of argument. Both healers have near identical DPS and HPS percentiles. So neither "chad'd" the other nor were they top high end raiders. These are fairly average logs from E9S. In just three minutes, 68% of the White Mage's casts were Glare while 55% of the Scholar's were Broil III. They both spent more than half the entire first three minutes of Cloud of Darkness pressing a single button.

"Well, that's just the first three minutes!"

When they clear the entire fight, both percentiles drop by only 5-ish%. The White Mage still spent 64% of their casts on a single button. And this is Savage. While it may be the first floor, it's supposed to be difficult content. What's even worse is when you add Misery and Dia into the equation. At this point, over 70% of their casts are DPS abilities. All of which come from three buttons. Since you have Paladin listed on your profile. Imagine if all you pressed for roughly four minutes (64% of a 6:29 kill time) is Atonement. Not Confiteor, your 123 combo, Fight or Flight. Just Atonement... for nearly the entire fight with barely anything else weaved in.

Welcome to why healers are upset.

The above guy I quoted had about 95+% of his casts dps, which is only happening if he is ignoring a majority of the healing. I'm still not seeing how pushing 3 different buttons for some kind of rotation is going to make a massive game play change for healers over just pushing one button.

[WaxSw]

Need a Snickers? I know over exaggeration when I see it. Maybe playing a Sage will fill your need to click a few more dps buttons?



The above guy I quoted had about 95+% of his casts dps, which is only happening if he is ignoring a majority of the healing. I'm still not seeing how pushing 3 different buttons for some kind of rotation is going to make a massive game play change for healers over just pushing one button.

I'll give you some numbers so you can see how bad the situation is with E10s clear casts from SCH:

DPS Actions:
145 Broil 3, 43 Ruin 2, 36 Energy drain, 17 Biolysis

Heals:
6 Whispering dawn, 5 Consolation, 4 Fey Blessing, 4 Indomitability, 2 Fey union, 2 Fey Illumination, 1 Adlo

Other (Sprint, Aetherflow, Recitation, Chain stratagem etc..): 42 casts

In total we have 241 offensive actions vs 24 healing actions, 10 times more offensive actions than healing actions and considering the total casts were 307 we can see that 78% of the casts were dps actions vs 7,8% of the casts as heals
Not only that but 99% of the GCDs were offensive actions and thats only because I wanted to count the preshield before the fight as part of the actions used there.

That was an 85 percentile in terms of HPS, This run where heals do not even reach 8% of the total actions used is considered to be in the top 15% of the total runs in terms of HEALING PER SECOND...let that sink in.

[Roeshel]

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Even if all the AE stacks were used for healing instead of ED, the gap between offensive casts and healing actions would have still been big because that's the whole point of oGCD casting. In any case, you have week 1 clear log of e9s and there your broil casts were less than 40% of the total casts you've made and that was a pink parse, others couldn't broil as much. In your first uploaded clear of E12S2 Broil made up for less than 35% of your total casts. It is not like it was pressing only 1 button all of the time which is what Karthunk is trying to explain.

I'm still not seeing how pushing 3 different buttons for some kind of rotation is going to make a massive game play change for healers over just pushing one button.

It is not any different. It would be actually worse to have 1-2-3 combo because our visual will be looking dull and old. A simple 1-2-3 combo is the same as 1-1-1. DPS classes have their combos in the same button in PvP because it is unnecessary button bloat.

It would be nice if healers had interactive DPS spells like Sage does.

[WaxSw]

Even if all the AE stacks were used for healing instead of ED, the gap between offensive casts and healing actions would have still been big because that's the whole point of oGCD casting. In any case, you have week 1 clear log of e9s and there your broil casts were less than 40% of the total casts you've made and that was a pink parse, others couldn't broil as much. In your first uploaded clear of E12S2 Broil made up for less than 35% of your total casts. It is not like it was pressing only 1 button all of the time which is what Karthunk is trying to explain.

The point is how you can have such a dull rotation even when you're not chadding your cohealer by any means so you're missing the point because what he clearly said in their first message was "Sounds like you need to run harder content or you need to stop letting the other healer do all the healing." which is proven wrong by that log

In fact taking if you take my first clears into account the conclusion you draw is very deceptive, ofc ruin 2 is more present and some gcd heals because we dont have the fight optimized and E12s in particular have a lot of downtime (downtime=you'll use ruin 2 to squeeze a bit of damage before the boss dissapear) but as the clears go on the percentage of broils in my casts go higher and higher which show bad design, a fight shoudnt get more boring and less rewarding as you get better, let alone how the point of this thread is how healers lack any meaningful rotation and having 1 nuke and 1 attack that I use only when I can't use the nuke is not even a semblance of a rotation

(Not even gonna comment how even in 1st clears heal gcds are even less than 15% of the total gcds of the fight and that is taking into account that e12s was one of the hardest hitting fights of the expansion so you can guess that the % is even lower in the rest)