Asmongold on NSFW mods

[Awha]

Another digusting and heartless reaction. They're teens. They don't understand what they are getting into. They just think they do.

Honestly, maybe you should not play this game then, if the idea upsets you. It will likely happen, due to people like you wanting to defend grooming.

How does my stance defend grooming? Can we say it is grooming if an adult was under the impression and knowledge that the person they were interacting with was a minor due to them telling them they were not a minor?

Clearly the adult did not have the intent the groom said individual. Now if the adult kept at it even after finding out they were a minor that is a different story. Though realistically what can SE do to prevent such situations from happening? It will always be reactive the action happens they will need to report said action to SE and possibly local authorities. What else does anyone expect a company and a community to do? Screen people on the mod discord ask for proof of age? That will not work since it is easy to get a fake ID. Block all mods? Still would not work cause trust me people will find work arounds. Even getting rid of all the NSFW hinted PF groups would not work they would simply just operate through discord and will just post discord links in PF.

Also please do not take what I am saying as defending the intentional seeking of engagement with minors. What I am saying though is a proactive approach to such things is not possible for a community to do. I will say yes if the potential harm to children does bother someone then maybe this is not the right game / community for them.

Though I will willing to admit that my view is rather dark considered I do not feel much sympathy or share much empathy for so it is hard for me to really understand exactly what you are feeling or a potential victim would be feeling.

[Zsolen]

How does my stance defend grooming? Can we say it is grooming if an adult was under the impression and knowledge that the person they were interacting with was a minor due to them telling them they were not a minor?

Clearly the adult did not have the intent the groom said individual. Now if the adult kept at it even after finding out they were a minor that is a different story. Though realistically what can SE do to prevent such situations from happening? It will always be reactive the action happens they will need to report said action to SE and possibly local authorities. What else does anyone expect a company and a community to do? Screen people on the mod discord ask for proof of age? That will not work since it is easy to get a fake ID. Block all mods? Still would not work cause trust me people will find work arounds. Even getting rid of all the NSFW hinted PF groups would not work they would simply just operate through discord and will just post discord links in PF.

Also please do not take what I am saying as defending the intentional seeking of engagement with minors. What I am saying though is a proactive approach to such things is not possible for a community to do. I will say yes if the potential harm to children does bother someone then maybe this is not the right game / community for them.

Though I will willing to admit that my view is rather dark considered I do not feel much sympathy or share much empathy for so it is hard for me to really understand exactly what you are feeling or a potential victim would be feeling.

There are people that intend to groom. You keep falling back on the minor being a liar line to make it sound that the people that ERP with a minor are all or even mostly doing so unintentionally and the minor is the real culprit. You are giving groomers every excuse in this thread to cover their tracks. "They lied to me" is all they have to say, because that is all you think they should have to say if caught. According to you, that is what the community must accept as okay. It's not. There are 18+ clubs that knowingly 'employ' minors.

Complaining about the fake ID thing is nonsense as is complaining about an altered voice in Discord. It's much easier to type in a false age than to do either of those things.

[Awha]

There are people that intend to groom. You keep falling back on the minor being a liar line to make it sound that the people that ERP with a minor are all or even mostly doing so unintentionally and the minor is the real culprit. You are giving groomers every excuse in this thread to cover their tracks. "They lied to me" is all they have to say, because that is all you think they should have to say if caught. According to you, that is what the community must accept as okay. It's not. There are 18+ clubs that knowingly 'employ' minors.

Complaining about the fake ID thing is nonsense as is complaining about an altered voice in Discord. It's much easier to type in a false age than to do either of those things.

Yes I understand people that intent to groom exist, everyone in this thread has already said they are in the wrong and should be punished. Also it is extremely easy to get a fake ID especially if they do not need a physical one and only need to show proof of it via a screen shot. Photoshop or any editing program are not difficult to find or use.

Please understand I do not think they should get a pass but I also do not think no one is really willing to do what what is necessary to combat such things in a preemptive manner. As another poster mentioned that would require us to give up our anonymity and I doubt many parents would even be in favor of that. As such only methods we have to combat such things will always be reactive in nature. Though through proper education and supervision the bad actor can be caught fairly early in the act before any serious damage was done. I do not ERP, but if it is anything like real thing the foreplay should be an important factor.

Cause let us be fair what you are pushing for intended or not is the either getting rid of player anonymity or moving towards punishing individuals for a potential harm they may or may not cause. Both of which do not seem like very logical positions. In the end the responsibility falls on the parent as mentioned I have an FC mate that monitors what their child does in game, they also play along side of them. For the longest time they legit only let them use a F2P account, and when they upgraded their account they went into the setting and turned off the all the chat functions for a time. They still worked 12 hour days, but found the time to monitor their child to keep them safe cause as you mentioned they understand that this game does have some unsavory forms of entertainment especially on the PF. Good parents find the time to monitor their children, bad one make excuses and pass the buck to others because that is just easier.