Asmongold on NSFW mods

[Awha]

Fearmongering? SE said as much. If you don't like it, that's just too bad.

Asking for someone's age is not a check on minors. It does nothing. SE doesn't have rules on ERP, because ERP itself is against TOS, so what crackdown do you expect them to do? An adult's responsibility goes far beyond "Welp... I asked their age, so not my problem if I damage a minor psychologically!"

When people don't care, even if they have no intention themselves of grooming, it leaves the door wide open for grooming. People that refer to themselves as MAPS love to integrate themselves into different things, so they can have protectors.

That is the thing, if the law makers so to speak are not willing to enforce their rules how can one be shocked that people will not break said rules? That is the thing the adult was operating under the knowledge that they where engaging with an adult so yeah it kinda becomes a welp maybe they should not have lied about their age.

Once again you really have not provided a reason outside of a emotionally fueled as to why another person should limit their enjoyment of the game because of the potential harm it may cause to another person. If someone is worried about the harm an action may cause it is up to said person to try to avoid such things. ERP, NSFW mods are things people have to go out of their way to get deeply engaged in them. Even the random tell of someone trying to get someone to ERP does not go far enough before they can block them.

I understand the fear but that fear is on you, not so much the community so why should I care about that fear? Also SE can say a lot of things, as mentioned if they do something I feel detracts from my enjoyment welp bye FFXIV off to find a new game. I do not care so much about how they say more so how they act.

IDK a lot of this just seems like well x can lead to potential harm it is our duty as a community to limit such harm as much as possible even if it means going after people that even those in power have not felt they have done anything worthy of punishment. I get the stance it is against the ToS but sorry that is kind of a meme ToS means nothing if you do not enforce it.

[Zsolen]

That is the thing, if the law makers so to speak are not willing to enforce their rules how can one be shocked that people will not break said rules? That is the thing the adult was operating under the knowledge that they where engaging with an adult so yeah it kinda becomes a welp maybe they should not have lied about their age.

Once again you really have not provided a reason outside of a emotionally fueled as to why another person should limit their enjoyment of the game because of the potential harm it may cause to another person. If someone is worried about the harm an action may cause it is up to said person to try to avoid such things. ERP, NSFW mods are things people have to go out of their way to get deeply engaged in them. Even the random tell of someone trying to get someone to ERP does not go far enough before they can block them.

I understand the fear but that fear is on you, not so much the community so why should I care about that fear? Also SE can say a lot of things, as mentioned if they do something I feel detracts from my enjoyment welp bye FFXIV off to find a new game. I do not care so much about how they say more so how they act.

IDK a lot of this just seems like well x can lead to potential harm it is our duty as a community to limit such harm as much as possible even if it means going after people that even those in power have not felt they have done anything worthy of punishment. I get the stance it is against the ToS but sorry that is kind of a meme ToS means nothing if you do not enforce it.

Another digusting and heartless reaction. They're teens. They don't understand what they are getting into. They just think they do.

Honestly, maybe you should not play this game then, if the idea upsets you. It will likely happen, due to people like you wanting to defend grooming.

[Awha]

Another digusting and heartless reaction. They're teens. They don't understand what they are getting into. They just think they do.

Honestly, maybe you should not play this game then, if the idea upsets you. It will likely happen, due to people like you wanting to defend grooming.

How does my stance defend grooming? Can we say it is grooming if an adult was under the impression and knowledge that the person they were interacting with was a minor due to them telling them they were not a minor?

Clearly the adult did not have the intent the groom said individual. Now if the adult kept at it even after finding out they were a minor that is a different story. Though realistically what can SE do to prevent such situations from happening? It will always be reactive the action happens they will need to report said action to SE and possibly local authorities. What else does anyone expect a company and a community to do? Screen people on the mod discord ask for proof of age? That will not work since it is easy to get a fake ID. Block all mods? Still would not work cause trust me people will find work arounds. Even getting rid of all the NSFW hinted PF groups would not work they would simply just operate through discord and will just post discord links in PF.

Also please do not take what I am saying as defending the intentional seeking of engagement with minors. What I am saying though is a proactive approach to such things is not possible for a community to do. I will say yes if the potential harm to children does bother someone then maybe this is not the right game / community for them.

Though I will willing to admit that my view is rather dark considered I do not feel much sympathy or share much empathy for so it is hard for me to really understand exactly what you are feeling or a potential victim would be feeling.

[Zsolen]

How does my stance defend grooming? Can we say it is grooming if an adult was under the impression and knowledge that the person they were interacting with was a minor due to them telling them they were not a minor?

Clearly the adult did not have the intent the groom said individual. Now if the adult kept at it even after finding out they were a minor that is a different story. Though realistically what can SE do to prevent such situations from happening? It will always be reactive the action happens they will need to report said action to SE and possibly local authorities. What else does anyone expect a company and a community to do? Screen people on the mod discord ask for proof of age? That will not work since it is easy to get a fake ID. Block all mods? Still would not work cause trust me people will find work arounds. Even getting rid of all the NSFW hinted PF groups would not work they would simply just operate through discord and will just post discord links in PF.

Also please do not take what I am saying as defending the intentional seeking of engagement with minors. What I am saying though is a proactive approach to such things is not possible for a community to do. I will say yes if the potential harm to children does bother someone then maybe this is not the right game / community for them.

Though I will willing to admit that my view is rather dark considered I do not feel much sympathy or share much empathy for so it is hard for me to really understand exactly what you are feeling or a potential victim would be feeling.

There are people that intend to groom. You keep falling back on the minor being a liar line to make it sound that the people that ERP with a minor are all or even mostly doing so unintentionally and the minor is the real culprit. You are giving groomers every excuse in this thread to cover their tracks. "They lied to me" is all they have to say, because that is all you think they should have to say if caught. According to you, that is what the community must accept as okay. It's not. There are 18+ clubs that knowingly 'employ' minors.

Complaining about the fake ID thing is nonsense as is complaining about an altered voice in Discord. It's much easier to type in a false age than to do either of those things.

[Awha]

There are people that intend to groom. You keep falling back on the minor being a liar line to make it sound that the people that ERP with a minor are all or even mostly doing so unintentionally and the minor is the real culprit. You are giving groomers every excuse in this thread to cover their tracks. "They lied to me" is all they have to say, because that is all you think they should have to say if caught. According to you, that is what the community must accept as okay. It's not. There are 18+ clubs that knowingly 'employ' minors.

Complaining about the fake ID thing is nonsense as is complaining about an altered voice in Discord. It's much easier to type in a false age than to do either of those things.

Yes I understand people that intent to groom exist, everyone in this thread has already said they are in the wrong and should be punished. Also it is extremely easy to get a fake ID especially if they do not need a physical one and only need to show proof of it via a screen shot. Photoshop or any editing program are not difficult to find or use.

Please understand I do not think they should get a pass but I also do not think no one is really willing to do what what is necessary to combat such things in a preemptive manner. As another poster mentioned that would require us to give up our anonymity and I doubt many parents would even be in favor of that. As such only methods we have to combat such things will always be reactive in nature. Though through proper education and supervision the bad actor can be caught fairly early in the act before any serious damage was done. I do not ERP, but if it is anything like real thing the foreplay should be an important factor.

Cause let us be fair what you are pushing for intended or not is the either getting rid of player anonymity or moving towards punishing individuals for a potential harm they may or may not cause. Both of which do not seem like very logical positions. In the end the responsibility falls on the parent as mentioned I have an FC mate that monitors what their child does in game, they also play along side of them. For the longest time they legit only let them use a F2P account, and when they upgraded their account they went into the setting and turned off the all the chat functions for a time. They still worked 12 hour days, but found the time to monitor their child to keep them safe cause as you mentioned they understand that this game does have some unsavory forms of entertainment especially on the PF. Good parents find the time to monitor their children, bad one make excuses and pass the buck to others because that is just easier.

[MintnHoney]

due to people like you wanting to defend grooming.

He's not anywhere near defending grooming or pedophilia.
But by all means, continue fighting tooth and nail for a cause that no one in this thread is preventing you or anyone else from championing. If you want to defend the children and spend your days worrying about them, stalking everyone until you can determine their A/S/L to make sure they're not too young and further determine, with your likely limited expertise, whether or not they're being groomed and/or gaslit, then feel free.

But not everyone is going to take up the mantle, and not everyone's going to appreciate that style of policing.

Bottom line: if you feel like someone is doing something that they shouldn't be doing, report it. If the GMs determine that they are, in fact, doing it, and that it is something that they shouldn't be doing, then they'll take necessary steps to take care of the situation. Most likely, however, if you can't prove someone's doing something, or if what you think they're doing is not actually being done, or if they determine that what they are doing is, in fact, not against the rules, then likely nothing will happen to them.
If you take matters "into your own hands," however, then don't be surprised if you're met with resistance, and don't be surprised if nothing meaningful actually happens. Even moreso if you're not actually going to do it yourself and are waiting for everyone else to do it for you.

Until and unless you can actually prove someone is doing the thing you're saying is happening, and especially until someone does something that specifically aims to maliciously harm the game and/or it's players, there's no cause to do something specifically about the issue that isn't already being done by a majority of players, both in and out of the community you're trying to generally accuse.