Asmongold on NSFW mods

[Zsolen]

If minors lie about their age to engage in online activities they're not supposed to that's not our problem as a community, the ENTIRETY of the responsibility for that rests with the parents of that minor. As a community we're only ethically obligated to address elements that are SPECIFICALLY targeting children.

FFXIV exists as a roleplaying experience. ERP and ALL mods are a natural extension of that, but I'm not even saying that SE has to allow any of it. If people participate in these things and get caught then any ban is justified, but morally it's no different than using a parser. Just be quiet about it.

Teens playing a teen game is not the parent's fault. Stop using that as an excuse.

ERPing with a teen is sexual offender territory not so with using a parser.

[Goji1639]

The game and devs have made it very clear you should not engaging in ERP as players might be minors it rests entirely on the player.

The responsibility for breaking the rules of the game is on the player, and like I said any resulting ban would be justified; same as using a parser. The responsibility for that minor is entirely on his parents, though; SE's policies can't/don't make us responsible for other peoples children.

[Goji1639]

Teens playing a teen game is not the parent's fault. Stop using that as an excuse.

ERPing with a teen is sexual offender territory not so with using a parser.

Teens lying online in order to engage in adult activities with adults is absolutely their parents fault. Any competent parent should realize adults play these games, and if parents want their kids playing games online with adults it should be under their supervision.

[Zsolen]

The responsibility for breaking the rules of the game is on the player, and like I said any resulting ban would be justified; same as using a parser. The responsibility for that minor is entirely on his parents, though; SE's policies can't/don't make us responsible for other peoples children.

The law makes you responsible. You are also an adult and being an adult still counts in a video game.

Teens lying online in order to engage in adult activities with adults is absolutely their parents fault. Any competent parent should realize adults play these games, and if they want their kids playing games online with adults online it should be under their supervision.

I hate to break it to you, but a teen doesn't always does what a parent asks them to do. No, a parent should not have to watch their kid play an adventure game. It's passing the blame from the sex offender to other people.

[Awha]

That's the thing. If you cannot be certain, then you should not be doing it. That is why it is a stonewall. You can take measures. You just don't want to do so, so you claim nothing can be done about it.

There is something I have said in another thread, and I will say something similar here. If the idea that you couldn't know if the person you were ERPing with was an adult or not does not make your skin crawl, that is a red flag.

Also mentions of sexual activity in game is not the same thing as actual sexual activity.

Never said it was in terms of sexual actively. Online interactions are normally not rated.

It is not stonewalling cause the measures we can take largely revolve around just not taking part in a valid form of RP and entertainment because parents are unable or unwilling to properly monitor or restricted intent access of their children.

It just makes so sense to me that it is okay to tell strangers to do not engage in an activity that is a valid from of RP because the possibility of minors being engaged is possible but telling parents if they are worried about such things then do not let your kid play the game is going too far.

Point remains if strangers have to be wary of their actions and if cannot be certain then should abstain from taking part why can the same not be said for parents with their kids?

[jameseoakes]

Teens lying online in order to engage in adult activities with adults is absolutely their parents fault. Any competent parent should realize adults play these games, and if parents want their kids playing games online with adults it should be under their supervision.

The point is this game is suppose to be safe the minors as all players have agreed to behave in way the reasonable person would find acceptable around minors if you can't do that you shouldn't be playing the game. Any competent player should know minors can play the game and behave accordingly.

[jameseoakes]

Never said it was in terms of sexual actively. Online interactions are normally not rated.

It is not stonewalling cause the measures we can take largely revolve around just not taking part in a valid form of RP and entertainment because parents are unable or unwilling to properly monitor or restricted intent access of their children.

It just makes so sense to me that it is okay to tell strangers to do not engage in an activity that is a valid from of RP because the possibility of minors being engaged is possible but telling parents if they are worried about such things then do not let your kid play the game is going too far.

In the context of this game it is not valid as you've been told not to do it

[Goji1639]

The law makes you responsible. You are also an adult and being an adult still counts in a video game.



I hate to break it to you, but a teen doesn't always does what a parent asks them to do. No, a parent should not have to watch their kid play an adventure game. It's passing the blame from the sex offender to other people.

Cite once instance where an adult was convicted for strictly text interaction with someone who lied about being an adult? There's never been any legal obligation to verify the age of people you interact with online; if someone in a chat room says they're 24 in a verifiable chat log you're in no way responsible if it turns out they were actually 16 and lied in order to engage with you. That's the legal end of this.

Morally, there was no intent to solicit a minor. The only wrong committed was breaking the games ToS, which is the same as using a parser.

The point is this game is suppose to be safe the minors as all players have agreed to behave in way the reasonable person would find acceptable around minors if you can't do that you shouldn't be playing the game. Any competent player should know minors can play the game and behave accordingly.

There's no place online that's 100% safe for minors and there never will be. If parents want to allow their children to interact in online environments that have adults then those parents NEED to be involved.

[Awha]

In the context of this game it is not valid as you've been told not to do it

I stand corrected it is against the TOS. Still the point I was trying to make was we have to be aware that children will lie and on a personal level I do not feel a stranger should be responsible for the actions of a lying child since the intent was not to solicit a minor.

I do feel the responsibility should fall on the parent and child. The parent for not watching their kid which I get is rough and generally an impossible task and the child for being a lying sack of shit ������.

The stranger in question sure could be viewed as navie but on the same token the same could be said of the parents if they are so concerned for their child's safety then they need to do better to make sure to know what their kid was doing or raise them better. Hell I was scared as shit to get caught lying so I did not lie. Cause I know if I did get caught the benefit would not out way the crime. Old man would make me do the gravy train where I had to hold those large tomatoes cans in both arms extended in horse stance and if I let me elbow relax I would get hit with a stick.

In short yes kids lie but parents need to be stricter with their kids and teach them that lying is not worth it especially if one gets caught by their parents hell will be paid.

What I am saying is as my dad said parenting is rough but it is a 24/7 gig parents do not get breaks cause once you show a moment of weakness it is all over they will walk all over you.

[Zsolen]

Cite once instance where an adult was convicted for strictly text interaction with someone who lied about being an adult? There's never been any legal obligation to verify the age of people you interact with online; if someone in a chat room says they're 24 in a chat log you're in no way responsible if it turns out they were actually 16 and lied in order to engage with you. That's the legal end of this.

Morally, there was no intent to solicit a minor. The only wrong committed was breaking the games ToS, which is the same as using a parser.

Why would i have to cite an instance? The only thing that matter is the actual legal code.

As for the moral aspect, yes it is immoral to ERP with minors. Ignorance is not an excuse. It's not immoral to check your damage in an instance.

Let's put it this way. SE doesn't care to see parsers being used in a stream, but they would care if you were ERPing in one.