FC owning 12 plots

[Almagnus1]

While I would be fine with banning them (as the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one and that would also free up a lot of housing for everyone else), too many here are going to defend that practice to the death.

[Nepentha]

While I would be fine with banning them (as the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one and that would also free up a lot of housing for everyone else), too many here are going to defend that practice to the death.

They are not going to do that.

[Kniteroad]

While I would be fine with banning them (as the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one and that would also free up a lot of housing for everyone else), too many here are going to defend that practice to the death.

I've always hated that phrase because I would bet that the majority that invoke it would flip their stance if the shoe was on the other foot. How many of the people asking to ban/punish those that have been grandfathered legitly would demolish their other houses "for the many".

[Almagnus1]

I've always hated that phrase because I would bet that the majority that invoke it would flip their stance if the shoe was on the other foot. How many of the people asking to ban/punish those that have been grandfathered legitly would demolish their other houses "for the many".

Ok, please explain why it is acceptable to have more than one personal house or a shell FC house?

[Catstab]

Ok, please explain why it is acceptable to have more than one personal house or a shell FC house?

Because SE's rules allowed for these items to be collected, and someone decided it would be fun to collect them. It's literally as simple as that.

SE can't go back and take rewards away. That would destroy subscriber's faith in them. If they will delete houses, we need to be worried that they will remove feast rewards earned on alts, or ishgard titles earned on alts. You ground out 'Saint' on two characters? Sorry, that's no fair, you get to keep one and the 'leftover' goes to the next guy down the line. It wouldn't be fair to do THAT retroactively, and the same is true of housing. I have friends who would undoubtedly quit if they lost their alt's houses. Meanwhile, no one is quitting because SE isn't working hard enough on housing solutions like Ishgard, Apartments, island sanctuary(?) and additional wards.

Explained enough? Or do you insist this is your 'hill to die on'?

[Almagnus1]

Because SE's rules allowed for these items to be collected, and someone decided it would be fun to collect them. It's literally as simple as that.

Or rather SE didn't make the system airtight enough and people exploited a weak system to get more housing than intended.

SE can't go back and take rewards away.

Housing =/= rewards

All shell FCs should have their housing stripped full stop, and anyone saying otherwise is advocating for this malevolent display of greed is only advocating for this entire horrendous housing situation to continue.

That would destroy subscriber's faith in them.

Hardly, it'd be no different than seeing a bunch of idiots banned over RMT, so please don't delude yourself otherwise.

If they will delete houses, we need to be worried that they will remove feast rewards earned on alts, or ishgard titles earned on alts. You ground out 'Saint' on two characters? Sorry, that's no fair, you get to keep one and the 'leftover' goes to the next guy down the line. It wouldn't be fair to do THAT retroactively, and the same is true of housing. I have friends who would undoubtedly quit if they lost their alt's houses.

Again, housing =/= reward. Drop it with the FUD already... it shows your argument holds zero water because if that's all you've got to lean on, its naught more than an acknowledgement that the position is wholly immoral and an admission that it's an exploitation of the rule set.

[TwistedTea]

Again, housing =/= reward. Drop it with the FUD already... it shows your argument holds zero water because if that's all you've got to lean on, its naught more than an acknowledgement that the position is wholly immoral and an admission that it's an exploitation of the rule set.

Given your history, you'd think you know that housing started off as something exclusive for FCs only and astronomically priced.

It's players who whined about wanting personals and lowering the price for something that is limited in supply.

Then of course the botters/scalpers came along.

Players who asked for that retarded placard camping system we have now.

The real solution would be either drastically increase the supply of ward houses or implement fully instanced housing alongside the existing systems. But that would cost SE a lot of money and housing is not a priority for SE.

And lol, you're talking about morals in an MMORPG; a genre where one of the features is defined by useless accumulation.

The TOS allows for ownership of multiple FC houses and this is something that can be checked with GMs or through support.

If you and other players feel strongly about this, you can contact SE's support or the GMs and report.

[Almagnus1]

It's players who whined about wanting personals and lowering the price for something that is limited in supply.

It's one of those "seemed like a good idea at the time" things.... but...

The real solution would be either drastically increase the supply of ward houses or implement fully instanced housing alongside the existing systems. But that would cost SE a lot of money and housing is not a priority for SE.

While I wouldn't be surprised if this is a cultural differences thing (as in it makes more sense in the context of the Japanese culture than it does in an American one), I think that's what apartments were supposed to be... but like most things in this system they need work.

The TOS allows for ownership of multiple FC houses and this is something that can be checked with GMs or through support.

The FC system needs to be tweaked as it's currently too lose... but much of that discussion needs to happen after workshop and gardening functionality is made generally available to players and not FC exclusive. Either way, the way FFXIV works it's pretty clear that it's designed with the intention that each player is (on average) only going to have a single character (which explains why the oversight with the personal houses and ports occurred). So following from that, it's pretty obvious that a single account was never intended to control multiple FCs. Tbh, the entire line of reasoning is a bit like using a dupe exploit or RMT and going "it's perfectly fine because I haven't been banned!".

[Kniteroad]

Housing =/= rewards

All shell FCs should have their housing stripped full stop, and anyone saying otherwise is advocating for this malevolent display of greed is only advocating for this entire horrendous housing situation to continue.


Again, housing =/= reward. Drop it with the FUD already... it shows your argument holds zero water because if that's all you've got to lean on, its naught more than an acknowledgement that the position is wholly immoral and an admission that it's an exploitation of the rule set.

I feel like your arguing semantics. But SE isn't going to take anything away from a player unless they broke the rules (TOS). For better or worse that isn't the case and most likely won't happen. If they change the rules again anyone with multiple properties will get grandfathered in again.

[Almagnus1]

I feel like your arguing semantics. But SE isn't going to take anything away from a player unless they broke the rules (TOS). For better or worse that isn't the case and most likely won't happen. If they change the rules again anyone with multiple properties will get grandfathered in again.

If an exploit has occurred, and at some point in the future the rules change to prevent the exploit, then the gains from the exploit should also be removed. Otherwise all SE'd be doing is promote an "exploit early and exploit often" mindset in the playerbase.