Materia: the new Armory System

[Sol_Aureus]

We did try to discuss the problems with multi-melding (specifically that it's a completely stupid system) a little bit in there, but that thread was basically ruined by a few retards. I tried to keep the OP focused on a specific goal since I thought it was a little more likely than getting rid of multi-melds. That said, I am of the opinion that the current materia system in general is broken and really bad for the game in the long term.

There's 2 ways to make the materia system good in my mind:

1) Everything gets 1 materia slot in 2.0. Multi-melds aren't possible and items with them have gone extinct.

or

2) Each item has a certain number of pre-set materia slots (For example: Ifrit's Bow has a Tier IV and a Tier III slot, Crab Bow has a Tier III slot and two Tier II slots). Melding has no chance of failure. Old multi-meld items are phased out.


I understand (though admittedly I haven't read the whole thread, so correct me if I'm wrong) you'd like to restrict melding to 1 only (which I agree with) but not allow it on U/U items. While this would be acceptable to me I don't see it as ideal. Materia is a neat concept and adds a nice level of customization to gear. It also gives some incentive to going out and grinding a bit even at max level.


anyway I guess what i'm trying to say here is bump

Thanks for your input.

Honestly, I really don't have a specific ideal fix. My suggestion was to have multi-slotting removed, just because it's the simplest solution and easiest to balance, in my opinion. I would prefer U/U items be meldable as well under this system, however it wouldn't be the end of the world if they weren't meldable either as long as their stats made up for it.

Your idea is pretty interesting, however the problem I see with it is that you rarely get lower tier stuff (like II) from your high level items, so you would have to buy stuff that's lower level to get the proper tier Materia. Still, the idea is good in theory, and with some tweaking it could work wonderfully.

My main point in this thread is that Materia as it is right now is a really bad system. There are many, many, many ways to go about fixing it, but we need to let the devs know that it's a problem first.

[Coglin]

We did try to discuss the problems with multi-melding (specifically that it's a completely stupid system)

Thanks for your input honestly, I really don't have a specific ideal fix.

You guys post this as if its the general populations views as well. I don't believe most players feel mulit-melds is a problem in the least bit. If most people do not believe it is broken, then there is no ideal fix, or any fix for that matter.

[Sol_Aureus]

You guys post this as if its the general populations views as well. I don't believe most players feel mulit-melds is a problem in the least bit. If most people do not believe it is broken, then there is no ideal fix, or any fix for that matter.

If that's the case, I'd honestly like to hear their input as to why they think the points I raised aren't going to be an issue and the Materia system is fine as-is. I've had my opinions changed before because of responses, and if people bring up valid points that I can't refute, then I'll probably concede my point.

But that hasn't happened yet. So until it does, I will continue trying to bring this to the attention of the developers.

[Brannigan]

You guys post this as if its the general populations views as well. I don't believe most players feel mulit-melds is a problem in the least bit. If most people do not believe it is broken, then there is no ideal fix, or any fix for that matter.

I don't know, I never really tried to imply that. The "we" in that is referring to the people in the thread I was talking about. If I felt like the general population recognized the problem I wouldn't bother replying because the forums would have already taken care of it. If I had to guess I'd say that people are either still in "wait and see" mode or they're happy that they have good gear right now and aren't really thinking about what future items are going to look like.

I think that AF/Aurum Vale/Cutter's Whatever gear is really going to be a tipping point. If everyone is still running around in their crafted generics with crazy materia deep into 1.21 then I think you'll see more people talking about it. Likewise, if AF is good enough that people don't even bother with materia anymore, then that will probably get people talking.

[Aviny]

I think that AF/Aurum Vale/Cutter's Whatever gear is really going to be a tipping point. If everyone is still running around in their crafted generics with crazy materia deep into 1.21 then I think you'll see more people talking about it. Likewise, if AF is good enough that people don't even bother with materia anymore, then that will probably get people talking.

I think that SE wont implement AF being better than normal slotted gear because it is all on chance, and they don't want people walking around with the same gear. They will have AF to be good enough to have as a secondary classes gear but our current slotted gear will be way better even if it looks cool.

There is no way SE will have AF ARC gloves implemented with 100+ Crit nor will they add a CON head piece with 50+ Healing Magic Potency. I guess some parts of the gear will be better because you can only slot so much into certain items...but it wont be good enough to surpass my current slotted gear nor others that have better stats than I do.

If SE would happen to add gear that will far surpass most of our current gear it would have to be really hard to get as it was in 11.