Pulling During Cutscene

[Snorky]

You assume every body cares about others pulling while they are in cutscenes. Yes, it would be wise to wait but the point being made here is not that everyone cares if something is pulled while they are in a cutscene.



You are absolutely right. But it is still irony all the same. Why should people have to wait for a cutscene watcher? And why do early pullers have to pull early... because they value their time? Some say the world doesn't revolve around the puller but it also doesn't revolve around the cutscene watcher. It revolves around the group as a whole. Meaning if it's you're first time in the dungeon and want to experience cutscenes you should let your party know. Many people are silent and all the pulling happens.

The same as when tanks ask the healer if they can handle big pulls when they state they are new in the dungeon. However, this won't work in Prae. Also, you can easily re-watch any cutscene in the inn as well as new game+. Sure, you may not experience it first-hand as "Intended" like you said, but at least you can go back and watch anything you missed or re-experience it again.

The world doesn't have to stop for a cutscene watcher. It is common courtesy to do so but objectively, no one has to. And some don't care if you go on ahead.

If you are getting extra rewards such as exp and tombstones for doing content with new people yes you do have a obligation to allow them their first time experience. Also if you are so selfish as to rush people who never experienced the story that is a you problem and you should probably make a premade group so you are not inconvenienced by new players. The problem with pulling before people are ready is you have just made a decision for the whole group. That is rude and it shows how selfish you are. (You doesn't mean you the person I am quoting) it just means anyone with this attitude that some how a couple minutes of their life just was wasted. Omg it would matter if it was your dieing breath, but seriously this is a game. If you are not competent enough to manage your time by planning for cut scenes or screwups in a dungeon run don't do that activity. I also know there are people who accidently pull although I'm on clear as to how that occurs. Because if you are competent enough to handle mechanics you should be aware of your party members. Anyway, those of you who can't be bothered to wait have alternatives to create a party in a different way. Just don't cry about not getting extra tombstones or exp.

[EtherRose]

If you are getting extra rewards such as exp and tombstones for doing content with new people yes you do have a obligation to allow them their first time experience. Also if you are so selfish as to rush people who never experienced the story that is a you problem and you should probably make a premade group so you are not inconvenienced by new players. The problem with pulling before people are ready is you have just made a decision for the whole group. That is rude and it shows how selfish you are. (You doesn't mean you the person I am quoting) it just means anyone with this attitude that some how a couple minutes of their life just was wasted. Omg it would matter if it was your dieing breath, but seriously this is a game. If you are not competent enough to manage your time by planning for cut scenes or screwups in a dungeon run don't do that activity. I also know there are people who accidently pull although I'm on clear as to how that occurs. Because if you are competent enough to handle mechanics you should be aware of your party members. Anyway, those of you who can't be bothered to wait have alternatives to create a party in a different way. Just don't cry about not getting extra tombstones or exp.

No one is obligated to anyone, at all. Now I'm not saying screw first timers buy saying that others are in the palm of the hand of the first timer is selfish in itself as well regardless of the rewards. No one has to cater to anyone specifically. But yes, it is rude if you run off and start pulling everything. Now, when a first timer enters a dungeon people will get a notice. However, if the person doesn't say anything than everyone else will just assume the norm.

Which is pull and not wait and go ham. Basically like if a healer doesn't say anything about not taking big pulls and than the tank pulls big. They will just assume the first timer doesn't care or it doesn't matter to them. This is why the first timer should speak up and say something. Be silent and people will just do what they normally do every day with their roulettes and such and what is considered norm these days.

It's why SE implemented it for everyone to watch the cutscenes in Prae but people abuse the glitch to logout than back in and continue. Some dungeons don't have this but it should be in all with a skip vote feature if the first timer doesn't mind, etc.

[Snorky]

No one is obligated to anyone, at all. Now I'm not saying screw first timers buy saying that others are in the palm of the hand of the first timer is selfish in itself as well regardless of the rewards. No one has to cater to anyone specifically. But yes, it is rude if you run off and start pulling everything. Now, when a first timer enters a dungeon people will get a notice. However, if the person doesn't say anything than everyone else will just assume the norm.

Which is pull and not wait and go ham. Basically like if a healer doesn't say anything about not taking big pulls and than the tank pulls big. They will just assume the first timer doesn't care or it doesn't matter to them. This is why the first timer should speak up and say something. Be silent and people will just do what they normally do every day with their roulettes and such and what is considered norm these days.

It's why SE implemented it for everyone to watch the cutscenes in Prae but people abuse the glitch to logout than back in and continue. Some dungeons don't have this but it should be in all with a skip vote feature if the first timer doesn't mind, etc.

Let me tell you why it's not selfish because this is the way the developers intended for us to experience the story. The rest of what you are saying is just trying to justify you stance. So is irrelevant. If the developers didn't intend for people to experience the story in this manner they would not have put it in. You want to change things to suit your needs that is the truly selfish part.

Again I don't specifically mean YOU I mean those who complain about people enjoying content that was clearly designed to be watched and enjoyed to further the plot of the story. I don't understand what some people think when they are told this is a STORY centric MMORPG. Not a jump in and hack and slash game.

[MaxCarnage]

If you are getting extra rewards such as exp and tombstones for doing content with new people yes you do have a obligation to allow them their first time experience.

I mean, I'm not obligated to do anything. The only obligation you sign up for queuing for DF is completing the content to the best of your ability, anything else would be against ToS.

Let me tell you why it's not selfish because this is the way the developers intended for us to experience the story. The rest of what you are saying is just trying to justify you stance. So is irrelevant. If the developers didn't intend for people to experience the story in this manner they would not have put it in. You want to change things to suit your needs that is the truly selfish part.

Again I don't specifically mean YOU I mean those who complain about people enjoying content that was clearly designed to be watched and enjoyed to further the plot of the story. I don't understand what some people think when they are told this is a STORY centric MMORPG. Not a jump in and hack and slash game.

The developers also added a neat feature that lets you skip cutscenes. In your own words, "if the developers didn't intend for people to [skip cutscene] they would have not put it in". And this has been a feature implemented from day 1,and still hasn't been removed.

I don't really understand this point of view. The tank tries to force the entire group into a situation that none of them wants by pulling during a cutscene, and everyone else is just obligated to be supportive of that unilateral decision why? Too many people in this game feel like they should be able to force the groups hand and have everyone just be cool about it.

If you pull during a cutscene you'd better be able to survive alone until the cutscene is over; and I guess in many situations tanks can. I do believe, at least, that if you can carry the weight of your decisions without any help then you're less obligated to consult or consider the group.

I still think it's a dick move to pull on a new player, but it's even worse if you need to beg for help and try to make the entire group complicit in your selfish nonsense.

Again, actively not participating, no matter the reason, is against the ToS and can get you banned, no matter how righteous you think the cause is.

Be silent and people will just do what they normally do every day with their roulettes and such and what is considered norm these days.

I completely agree. 99% of the time, the new person doesn't even say anything, even if there's an early pull. It's always someone else coming to defend them and being offended for someone else. Also, people don't even politely ask to wait for cutscenes.

Usually it's:
"Any cutscene watchers?"
*silence for 15 seconds*
*someone pulls*
"We have 1. Or not, [expletive x 3]"

I've noticed, if someone politely asks to wait, using please and thank you, as oppose to barking out demands all the time, people are more inclined to wait. Also, if the new person specifically asks if they can watch the cutscene, sure! By all means! But say nothing, and people will go on with their day.

[Snorky]

I mean, I'm not obligated to do anything. The only obligation you sign up for queuing for DF is completing the content to the best of your ability, anything else would be against ToS.



Again, actively not participating, no matter the reason, is against the ToS and can get you banned, no matter how righteous you think the cause is.

Hold on that poster didn't say anything about not actively participating, he said pulling during a cut scene the person better be able to survive. And yes if you are using the duty roulette you are agreeing to being grouped with anyone same with the duty finder. If you want control of your group then make your own group but don't act like you don't have to have manners in a group situation.

[Kolaina]

Hold on that poster didn't say anything about not actively participating, he said pulling during a cut scene the person better be able to survive. And yes if you are using the duty roulette you are agreeing to being grouped with anyone same with the duty finder. If you want control of your group then make your own group but don't act like you don't have to have manners in a group situation.

If you pull during a cut scene you’d better be able to survive alone implies not actively participating. So yes. Yes they did

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

If you pull during a cut scene you’d better be able to survive alone implies not actively participating. So yes. Yes they did

Not necessarily. If the cutscene watcher is the healer, then you 100% have to be able to survive on your own since y'know, you just pulled without your healer.

I've watched impatient tanks wipe us at the end of stone vigil because Isgebind mops the floor with them pretty quickly with zero heals and they get to do the walk of shame back to the boss room. Extremely satisfying.

[Snorky]

The sheer lengths that people go to, to justify bad behavior is astounding. Seriously. LMAO.

[EtherRose]

Let me tell you why it's not selfish because this is the way the developers intended for us to experience the story. The rest of what you are saying is just trying to justify you stance. So is irrelevant. If the developers didn't intend for people to experience the story in this manner they would not have put it in. You want to change things to suit your needs that is the truly selfish part.

Again I don't specifically mean YOU I mean those who complain about people enjoying content that was clearly designed to be watched and enjoyed to further the plot of the story. I don't understand what some people think when they are told this is a STORY centric MMORPG. Not a jump in and hack and slash game.

The sheer lengths that people go to, to justify bad behavior is astounding. Seriously. LMAO.

So the option of being able to skip cutscenes and pull mobs/bosses while others are in a cutscene is the way developers intended for them to experience the story? Because if they truly did, no one would have a skip option and you would be locked inside a little area like when you do primals until everyone is ready.

Do you know why? It's because again, no one is obligated to any one else. People play how they want to play regardless of the outcome. This is what you're not understanding. Yes, morally it is wrong and people know this.

It's not a justification. It's a logical understanding altogether in which all plausible scenarios are considered depending on the individual. You say It's bad because it ruins a first timers experience. A random first timer might say they don't care and just want to play. So who's right? Are you going to shun that first timer because they don't care and try to justify your explanation? No one is obligated to another, at all. Not every one cares and doesn't mind if mobs are pulled when they are in a cutscene. Not everyone is the same.

When it comes to something like this in an MMO, communication is key. KEY. It doesn't matter if we see a first-timer notice. If you don't speak up, forever hold your peace. And when you do say something most people will gladly wait for you and are nice. Silence = Ok we are doing what ever.

[kaynide]

Again, actively not participating, no matter the reason, is against the ToS and can get you banned, no matter how righteous you think the cause is.

If you pull during a cut scene you’d better be able to survive alone implies not actively participating. So yes. Yes they did

It's not against ToS to wait for someone in a cutscene, holy cow you guys are reaching. Pure nonsense and a waste of an otherwise decent discussion on-going.