Pulling During Cutscene

[Chawan]

I don’t think I would mind much if others went ahead if i am in a cut scene I haven’t seen before.. just if you die don't cry or get mad. I will likely always wait tho for others. I can’t think of any scenario in which I wouldn’t. I don’t think anyone should be treating others badly.. but i imagine it is difficult due to both sides of this maybe feeling they are treated unfairly .. I don’t really see a fix for this other than to not use the df for your groups.. maybe if you gather your own groups things that annoy you can be avoided. I am not sure tho.. I don’t know too much about what can and can’t be done in this game yet.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

Usually in lower content and 4-man dungeons, if a newbie is in a cutscene I'll tend to wait (on tank). But if I'm on healer or dps and the tank doesn't bother to wait, I don't really see an issue with it. And higher level content such as raids, it really, really doesn't matter. Dungeons in SB and ShB also have mostly done away with the super long cutscenes before final boss stuff, as well. Not like people get locked out of boss rooms now, either.

So typically if someone pulls, I'll be running in with them. There is absolutely no excuse for someone refusing to do their job or join their fellow party members in the room, simply because one person is still in a cutscene and you personally find it rude to go in or worry about a first time experience being ruined. Actively attempting to sabotage a fight by not joining in on a tank or healer is especially egregious and toxic.

Not that the passive aggression in this community surprises me much anymore, but still.

[Goji1639]

So typically if someone pulls, I'll be running in with them. There is absolutely no excuse for someone refusing to do their job or join their fellow party members in the room, simply because one person is still in a cutscene and you personally find it rude to go in or worry about a first time experience being ruined. Actively attempting to sabotage a fight by not joining in on a tank or healer is especially egregious and toxic.

I don't really understand this point of view. The tank tries to force the entire group into a situation that none of them wants by pulling during a cutscene, and everyone else is just obligated to be supportive of that unilateral decision why? Too many people in this game feel like they should be able to force the groups hand and have everyone just be cool about it.

If you pull during a cutscene you'd better be able to survive alone until the cutscene is over; and I guess in many situations tanks can. I do believe, at least, that if you can carry the weight of your decisions without any help then you're less obligated to consult or consider the group.

I still think it's a dick move to pull on a new player, but it's even worse if you need to beg for help and try to make the entire group complicit in your selfish nonsense.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

I don't really understand this point of view. The tank tries to force the entire group into a situation that none of them wants by pulling during a cutscene, and everyone else is just obligated to be supportive of that unilateral decision why? Too many people in this game feel like they should be able to force the groups hand and have everyone just be cool about it.

If you pull during a cutscene you'd better be able to survive alone until the cutscene is over; and I guess in many situations tanks can. I do believe, at least, that if you can carry the weight of your decisions without any help then you're less obligated to consult or consider the group.

I still think it's a dick move to pull on a new player, but it's even worse if you need to beg for help and try to make the entire group complicit in your selfish nonsense.

I mean, why do you assume it's someone forcing others? Why do you assume no one wants them to pull because someone might be in cutscene? Most groups I run into just want to get in and out fast, so if a tank or healer runs into the boss room, they follow. I think in 4-man content it's polite to wait on cutscenes, yes, but I'm not going to throw a big hissy fit like a lot of y'all if someone pulls before the cutscener is out - and I'm definitely not going to abandon my job I queued for just because some people on a forum think it's the 'moral high ground' to actively sabotage a boss pull.

Then again, I'm talking to a guy who follows around anyone who's ever so much as told him his egotistical manchild way of playing the game and treating other players is wrong, to basically every thread they post in. Dunno what I expect out of you, Goji. You're probably the best example of egotistical and selfish toxicity I've ever seen on these forums, so you really don't have much ground to be moral grandstanding on.

Either way, comes down to this: refusing to do your job in content you queued for is reportable. Someone pulling the boss - accidentally, intentionally, whatever - before everyone in a dungeon or raid is out of cutscene isn't. That's just the facts, regardless of what people think about doing so.

[Goji1639]

I mean, why do you assume it's someone forcing others? Why do you assume no one wants them to pull because someone might be in cutscene? Most groups I run into just want to get in and out fast, so if a tank or healer runs into the boss room, they follow. I think in 4-man content it's polite to wait on cutscenes, yes, but I'm not going to throw a big hissy fit like a lot of y'all if someone pulls before the cutscener is out - and I'm definitely not going to abandon my job I queued for just because some people on a forum think it's the 'moral high ground' to actively sabotage a boss pull.

Then again, I'm talking to a guy who follows around anyone who's ever so much as told him his egotistical manchild way of playing the game and treating other players is wrong, to basically every thread they post in. Dunno what I expect out of you, Goji. You're probably the best example of egotistical and selfish toxicity I've ever seen on these forums, so you really don't have much ground to be moral grandstanding on.

Either way, comes down to this: refusing to do your job in content you queued for is reportable. Someone pulling the boss - accidentally, intentionally, whatever - before everyone in a dungeon or raid is out of cutscene isn't. That's just the facts, regardless of what people think about doing so.

I don't assume anything, and that's the point. The only person that's making an assumption is the tank who pulled the boss during a cutscene and expected everyone else to just fall in line with his decision. All anyone is saying is that pulling during a cutscene is rude and you shouldn't do it. Apparently people feeling that way is prompting you to throw a "hissy fit."

Also, not sure why you're making up a bunch of crap about me. I've never followed around anyone and harassed them about old discussions. Plenty of people here seem to like to do that to me, but that's definitely not my style.

Finally, it's not reportable because they're not refusing to do their job. They're just waiting for the entire party to be ready before engaging, which isn't against the rules.

[Kaoru_Nagisa]

I don't assume anything, and that's the point. The only person that's making an assumption is the tank who pulled the boss during a cutscene and expected everyone else to just fall in line with his decision. All anyone is saying is that pulling during a cutscene is rude and you shouldn't do it. Apparently people feeling that way is prompting you to throw a "hissy fit."

Also, not sure why you're making up a bunch of crap about me. I've never followed around anyone and harassed them about old discussions. Plenty of people here seem to like to do that to me, but that's definitely not my style.

Finally, it's not reportable because they're not refusing to do their job. They're just waiting for the entire party to be ready before engaging, which isn't against the rules.

You do like to assume anyone who disagrees with your bad takes is throwing a hissy fit, don't you? Dunno bud, I don't see me screaming and throwing my fists or slinging insults towards people who think it's fine if pulls occur before everyone's out of a cutscene. Is it rude? Sure, a little. But not something I feel is as big a deal as people in this thread make it out to be, and certainly not worth sabotaging a boss pull or cursing out the puller in typical GCBTW fashion.

You did very much assume that a tank pulling a boss before one person is out of cutscenes was forcing the party to do something, though. Now that someone pointed it out, you backpedal and claim you don't assume anything, except of the tank pulling. As you tend to do; your go-to during disagreements is gaslighting the other side to try and make yourself look better on a singular post basis. You are not really subtle in the way you act towards people or how often you show up in threads where the same few posters post in. That as well as all your prior behavior and words are why people bring up your old takes. Because they show a pattern in the way you think and approach other people.

And it definitely is reportable. But by all means, try it yourself. Enjoy the GM calls when you get reported for refusing to do the job you signed up for content with.

I added my own take on the thread topic, though, and I'm definitely not interested in having one of your usual circular "discussions", so have fun with the echo chamber my dude.

[TaleraRistain]

So typically if someone pulls, I'll be running in with them. There is absolutely no excuse for someone refusing to do their job or join their fellow party members in the room, simply because one person is still in a cutscene and you personally find it rude to go in or worry about a first time experience being ruined. Actively attempting to sabotage a fight by not joining in on a tank or healer is especially egregious and toxic.

Someone who pulls during a cutscene or without making sure that everyone in the group is there and ready is signaling to the group that they want to lone wolf it and don't need the rest of the group's assistance. Nobody else is obligated to support or save them from the decision they made for themselves.

[Sotaris]

Lenivy gotta speed run or his house is always on fire so gotta go sonic.

[Kuroka]

Holy just reading all this makes me wish for locking everything during Cutscenes even more...

[Lenivy]

Your mentality is tragic and I'm sorry you treat everyone that way. I hope one day you can learn to not.

Pay my sub, then tell me how to play the game.
Thaths onyly bull rule i will accept from you fake liberators.