Pulling During Cutscene

[Trobon]

These are really good points. A friend I invited to the game in ShB has only heard tell of some mechanics. Never experienced them herself. Syrcus Tower comes to mind, 2nd boss I believe? With the electric circles on the floor you’re supposed to stand in to make them vulnerable. Or how to deal with the skeletons on first boss of Labyrinth.
If the experience comes s really important, new ppl or some of the community should make party finders set to min ilvl. That’s the only way to get the actual experience.

Yet again, completely missing the point. Its not about letting players have the fight as it was on launch. Its about not pressuring them to skip the cutscene of a duty and letting them experience the story as it was intended. The fact that people are bringing up this original experience non-sequitur just shows how little some of you have understood what people are saying.

[Titania40]

Weren’t you just caught making up stories in the tales from the duty finder thread?
I think you’re the one claiming to be kicked right at the start when people have the 5 minute protection from a vote dismiss

No, I was "caught" having experienced something and making guesses about what might have happened without having any evidence. What I know is that I queued up for a dungeon, watched the opening cinematic for said dungeon, saw the rest of the team moving around, then was booted out of the dungeon and back to the overworld before the barrier dropped.

I guessed I must have been vote kicked for watching the cinematic since I'd had that happen before while I watched a MSQ dungeon cutscene before the boss. Do I have proof? No, I don't. For all I know, it was a case of the server hiccuping or something else. The only thing I know for sure is that somehow I got booted from the dungeon after loading in but before it actually began. This is apparently unusual, but again I don't know what the exact cause was.

[Kolaina]

You run DF for the daily tomestones which you get because you are giving something up (rerunning old content). Its not rewarding you out of the goodness of the devs hearts. That's the point, its a symbiotic thing. New players get to experience the content and vets get to get rewarded with XP boosts and tomestones. This is the same thing when vets say Ex trials should be removed from Mentor roulette. The reason the Ex trials are in there is to help new players complete those, the mentor roulette is not there simply to give mentors access to a special mount. It is there for a specific reason and rewards mentors with a mount in order to accomplish that.

Likewise, leveling DF is there for a specific reason and rewards you for it. And no it is not unreasonable for new players to expect to be able to play the MSQ as intended and watch the cutscenes while still participating in the fight in whatever manner they can, when the game forces people to group up for it. If it were then MSQs wouldn't have gotten unskippable cutscenes.

Leveling roulette is there to reduce queue times. That is all. Back when the game first came out, there were no roulettes. If people weren’t queueing for ifrit normal, you were stuck in a cave, unable to leave, because not enough people needed that duty. Now we have leveling roulette. A system that allows for faster queue times by pairing people needing for example, level 71 content to level, with people needing level 30 content, while making up the difference in lost experience for the higher level. It is simply to get people through the queue instead of waiting around for others to need the same content you do.
The only incentivized reward for this roulette is tomes for level 80s, as they don’t need the exp any longer. But in reality, its more efficient to just spam the current expert dungeons as far as tomes vs time goes

[MaxCarnage]

You run DF for the daily tomestones which you get because you are giving something up (rerunning old content). Its not rewarding you out of the goodness of the devs hearts. That's the point, its a symbiotic thing. New players get to experience the content and vets get to get rewarded with XP boosts and tomestones. This is the same thing when vets say Ex trials should be removed from Mentor roulette. The reason the Ex trials are in there is to help new players complete those, the mentor roulette is not there simply to give mentors access to a special mount. It is there for a specific reason and rewards mentors with a mount in order to accomplish that.

Likewise, leveling DF is there for a specific reason and rewards you for it. And no it is not unreasonable for new players to expect to be able to play the MSQ as intended and watch the cutscenes while still participating in the fight in whatever manner they can, when the game forces people to group up for it. If it were then MSQs wouldn't have gotten unskippable cutscenes.

I just wanna say... dude... you seem to only be talking about one specific thing; Duty Finder Roulettes.

You get rewarded for /roulettes/ not just duty finder in general. If you queue up for something specific, whether it be a dungeon or a trial, you don't get bonus exp, or the bonus tomes. You don't use a single roulette more than once a day, usually. Even if you did, you won't get rewarded twice.

If I'm queuing for... The Burn, for example. I'm not going to get bonus xp. None, whatsoever. Let's say I'm level 70, and I'm trying to get to 71. I've already used my roulettes. I'm going to queue for The Burn directly. And chances are, I'm going to grind out multiple runs of that dungeon in one sitting. If I've run that dungeon 10 times, and out of those 10 times, 9 of them had new people that watch cutscene, that's annoying. You can say, "It's just a few seconds!" but it's not. Every time I have had to wait for cutscene, I am waiting for a few minutes for both the opening cutscene and the boss cutscene. And sometimes I gotta wait for the after boss cutscene for loot. Now already, that turns a potential 20 minute run into a 25 minute run. That adds up when you're grinding. And for what? I don't get anything extra for it 'cause I didn't get it by chance in roulette.

So let me do the math for you. A 20 minute dungeon run with a potential of 5 minutes of cutscene (beginnning, pre-final boss, post-final boss) becomes a 25 minute run. 20% of that play time is other peoples' cutscenes. It may be their first time but how many times has it been for everyone else? I know you don't care, but that doesn't make you right. No one is stopping them from watching the cutscene, nothing's killing them when they get out of cutscene, they can watch the cutscene again in the inn or by rerunning the dungeon, they can experience the first or second mechanics they may have missed by running it again. No one is saying the new person doesn't matter, but we all have our own experiences. And when farming, running the same content again and again and again, people are potentially going to look to shave off time.

Again, I repeat I DO NOT PULL. But there are two sides to this coin. It's time we start acknowledging that. And unless it's against ToS....

[kaynide]

I run DF for the daily tomestones, you're reading design intentions into the daily roulette based on one perspective that of a new player.

If you join a game this late you're never going to get the same experience it's totally unrealistic and unreasonable to expect that.

Games that aren't as story based still have daily roulettes too, you can't only look at it from one perspective and act like there is only one correct perspective here.

Few things here:

1) Directly from the devs, it doesn’t matter why you run the DF. The reason you get tomestones, xp, etc, is to “pay” you to do old content to ensure new players have a steady stream of party members and/or low queue times via roulette.

2) Imagine taking your kid to see Harry Potter at a local theater event, with some Karen talking over the movie the whole time. When you complain she says “omg just rent the dvd if you want your kid to see it”. It doesn’t matter if players are new or not. They have every right to experience the game in full.

3) This is not one of those games. It is a story based game, where cutscenes can tell important story information.

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Not YOU you, but people in general.

I would say to people who pull:

I mean, you do you. You’re not breaking any rules, just being rude to the new guy. If your 10 seconds is worth more than common courtesy, sure, pull away.

..it’s like rushing ahead in traffic to cut off a long line of cars. Not necessarily illegal, but what a dick move.

When there’s only a few doing this, it just sucks to play with people like this, but when there are lots we get locked cutscenes. It is because of people like you that Prae and/or Castrum take forvever.

I for one am play mostly with friends and appreciate skipping CSs after everyone has seen it and would suck to lose that because of impatient idiots.

[TaleraRistain]

I just wanna say... dude... you seem to only be talking about one specific thing; Duty Finder Roulettes.

You get rewarded for /roulettes/ not just duty finder in general. If you queue up for something specific, whether it be a dungeon or a trial, you don't get bonus exp, or the bonus tomes. You don't use a single roulette more than once a day, usually. Even if you did, you won't get rewarded twice.

If I'm queuing for... The Burn, for example. I'm not going to get bonus xp. None, whatsoever. Let's say I'm level 70, and I'm trying to get to 71. I've already used my roulettes. I'm going to queue for The Burn directly. And chances are, I'm going to grind out multiple runs of that dungeon in one sitting. If I've run that dungeon 10 times, and out of those 10 times, 9 of them had new people that watch cutscene, that's annoying. You can say, "It's just a few seconds!" but it's not. Every time I have had to wait for cutscene, I am waiting for a few minutes for both the opening cutscene and the boss cutscene. And sometimes I gotta wait for the after boss cutscene for loot. Now already, that turns a potential 20 minute run into a 25 minute run. That adds up when you're grinding. And for what? I don't get anything extra for it 'cause I didn't get it by chance in roulette.

So let me do the math for you. A 20 minute dungeon run with a potential of 5 minutes of cutscene (beginnning, pre-final boss, post-final boss) becomes a 25 minute run. 20% of that play time is other peoples' cutscenes. It may be their first time but how many times has it been for everyone else? I know you don't care, but that doesn't make you right. No one is stopping them from watching the cutscene, nothing's killing them when they get out of cutscene, they can watch the cutscene again in the inn or by rerunning the dungeon, they can experience the first or second mechanics they may have missed by running it again. No one is saying the new person doesn't matter, but we all have our own experiences. And when farming, running the same content again and again and again, people are potentially going to look to shave off time.

Again, I repeat I DO NOT PULL. But there are two sides to this coin. It's time we start acknowledging that. And unless it's against ToS....

And you're still letting the game do random matching for you, which means you acknowledge you may get new people in the group. And you are saying the new person doesn't matter because you think they should have to sacrifice their one-time experience for your farming efficiency. They never ever get the chance to be completely new to that content again.

SE allows the perfect option for those who are looking to shave off time. They allow groups to go into DF as a premade group. You can craft the exact experience you want with the tool they provide.

[Kolaina]

And you're still letting the game do random matching for you, which means you acknowledge you may get new people in the group. And you are saying the new person doesn't matter because you think they should have to sacrifice their one-time experience for your farming efficiency. They never ever get the chance to be completely new to that content again.

SE allows the perfect option for those who are looking to shave off time. They allow groups to go into DF as a premade group. You can craft the exact experience you want with the tool they provide.

Both sides can make a party finder. So people should stop complaining when it doesn’t go the way they desired if the people they get apaired with have something else in mind

[Seera1024]

Both sides can make a party finder. So people should stop complaining when it doesn’t go the way they desired if the people they get apaired with have something else in mind

People have the right to voice their displeasure in how something turned out.

Especially when it can cause a ruined experience.

Neither side should be hurling insults at the other, though.

It's all in how the complaint is presented.

[TroySoFab]

I think we should still wait for them, as waiting for the cutscene (regardless what it is) sets the example for the newer player to follow. Look at it this way, do you want to skip through a cutscene, have a newer player learn it's OK, then have them return the favor to you when you wanted to watch the cutscene?

As I said, during the first few weeks of content it is courteous to wait. After that, if I wanted to watch a cutscene I would use the book in the inn rooms to watch the cutscene. I like to be respectful of other people's time, some people are looking to farm content.

[Mostly_Raxus]

I say just make all cut scenes unstoppable until people learn to share.