50-minute The Tower at Paradigm Breach runs...

[BaconBits]

Whether OP is trolling or not, there are very few things more demoralizing than getting thrown into an alliance that is almost proud to be pants on head stupid. I did four Puppet's Bunker runs yesterday, and two of them went to hell in a handbasket. The first one saw a near wipe at the first boss not to the aoes that constantly knock inattentive people off ledges, but to the add phase of all things. My alliance killed our add, but I have no idea what the heck was going on with the other two alliances at all. I just bit the bullet and took the 30 minute penalty the moment that fight was over with.

The second one was somehow even worse, with my alliance seemingly being unable to dodge any mechanics whatsoever during the first boss, wiping out 3/4 of alliance C at the second boss with the giga laser and experiencing a full party wipe (I got auto-attacked to death after the tank died) while our add had roughly 60-70% hp remaining long after everyone had killed theirs. This trend continued on into the 3rd boss, where everyone in my alliance except me were constantly biting the dust and having to be rezzed by the other alliance's healers, eventually culminating in yet another full party wipe because nobody stood in 2 or 3 of the second set of exploding circles, and I started (jokingly?) begging alliance C to take me with them. Final boss was just more of the same, with me trying my hardest to not get slapped out of existence by a raidwide because the healers are too busy resurrecting each other along with the other dps and the tank to actually throw out some heals.

Like man, I understand that runs like those don't usually happen that often, but running into stuff like that nearly back to back had me feeling some type of way.

[Banim]

Average skill always gets lower the older a patch gets. It gets more obvious in the lead up to a new expansion as there's a longer amount of time with no new content. There are also more new players in the game than ever. The higher skill players have been done with YoRHa since forever ago. Same goes for Savage and other things. Therefore, you are more likely to encounter more casual players, some of which won't be concerned with playing very well, and less of the more experienced people because they have less incentives to be there.

Queue up with some friends and it will be less painful. That's what I try to do. If I queue alone then I do so accepting I'm likely to get a very meh run and there is no use in getting mad about it. If there's someone I notice struggling too much with the basics of their job or some mechanic I may drop a quick tip and they can take or leave it, but that's about it.

[Snorky]

All I can think of is Bart Simpson saying 'I didn't do it! ' hahaha. Don't we have a giant thread for this already?

[BaconBits]

Queue up with some friends and it will be less painful.

What friends lmao?

[Puremallace]

Nice deflection. Whether I'm baiting or not, the truth is still that doing less DPS than someone from an expansion ago is leeching. Simple as. You cannot teach this.

hmmmz interesting and where you using any tools to determine this dps? If so please speak into the mic clearly with your name and server so Square Enix can locate you.

[Bright-Flower]

Maybe they just wanted to relax? Getting a bad group, is not the end of the world. It is not like your time has that much value if you are playing an mmorpg. I see nothing wrong here.

IMO, if you're going to queue into content with strangers, you owe them an honest effort. I'm not saying you need to do your rotation flawlessly, or can't make mistakes. I know I'm certainly not perfect about these things. But if someone is just lazily riding along doing auto attacks, or otherwise not actually 'trying' to play decently, then yes they are leeches and they are dragging the group down regardless of whether or not the rest of the alliance can carry them.

This also doesn't require a damage meter addon to spot always. It's easy to tell in a dungeon when someone isn't aoeing. Or when a caster isn't consistently casting spells etc.

It's fine to be new. It's fine to just flat out not be good at the game. Or to not be fully caught up with gear for the job you're running. It's fine to be suboptimal. But using wanting to 'relax' as an excuse not to put in an honest effort is bad.

[Wavaryen]

IMO, if you're going to queue into content with strangers, you owe them an honest effort. I'm not saying you need to do your rotation flawlessly, or can't make mistakes. I know I'm certainly not perfect about these things. But if someone is just lazily riding along doing auto attacks, or otherwise not actually 'trying' to play decently, then yes they are leeches and they are dragging the group down regardless of whether or not the rest of the alliance can carry them.

This also doesn't require a damage meter addon to spot always. It's easy to tell in a dungeon when someone isn't aoeing. Or when a caster isn't consistently casting spells etc.

It's fine to be new. It's fine to just flat out not be good at the game. Or to not be fully caught up with gear for the job you're running. It's fine to be suboptimal. But using wanting to 'relax' as an excuse not to put in an honest effort is bad.

I don't see it that way only because I try to be understanding to players. Some people just play the bare amount to have fun. Any content that we do in a pug settings, I put myself at risk for playing with people who don't have the same perspective as me when going into the group. So i'm understanding with people just relaxing and not wanting to go 100 percent in fights. As long as the content gets done, I count that as a win, because that is all a pug is. Using each other for progression.


It is a lost cause to have a set standard in pug groups, and really I have no right to tell others how they should value group play. Even though myself, I enjoy testing myself and trying to do better and better at each fight. I know others who don't care and just have fun playing how they want. Since the group was made by the game, it has no set standard. So I can't really complain about how others play.

[ReynTime]

What friends lmao?

Nevermind that advice. Even if you have 7 friends who play decently or well, all it takes for a terrible alliance raid to happen is one of the three alliances to be bad.

[Darkpaw]

It’s the thin line of basic respect vs expectation.

In an alliance raid or any party content, that you want to see a basic level of effort from the other players. Some people expect that baseline to be too high, others expect it to be lower than what it should be.

If you are afk’ing or just auto attack spamming without a word or reason (single parent i know thjngs can happen unexpectedly but typing afk takes .5 seconds) then that’s not holding up the basic level of effort.

At the same point more high end top tier players need to adjust their expectations and be respectful for players that may be less skilled, levelling or gearing alt jobs, trying something new out, or other factors can decide whether or not someone is able to play at a high enough level, one wipe isnt bad, even on first boss, its when you wipe two or three times, that is when you should be concerned. People can be rusty.

Doing the artifact grind for new relic i spammed StB raids, i can say 3 out of 5 groups wiped to Mateus, only to absolutely crush the remaining bosses.

Show some patience and respect where due.

[Bright-Flower]

It’s the thin line of basic respect vs expectation.

In an alliance raid or any party content, that you want to see a basic level of effort from the other players. Some people expect that baseline to be too high, others expect it to be lower than what it should be.

If you are afk’ing or just auto attack spamming without a word or reason (single parent i know thjngs can happen unexpectedly but typing afk takes .5 seconds) then that’s not holding up the basic level of effort.

At the same point more high end top tier players need to adjust their expectations and be respectful for players that may be less skilled, levelling or gearing alt jobs, trying something new out, or other factors can decide whether or not someone is able to play at a high enough level, one wipe isnt bad, even on first boss, its when you wipe two or three times, that is when you should be concerned. People can be rusty.

Doing the artifact grind for new relic i spammed StB raids, i can say 3 out of 5 groups wiped to Mateus, only to absolutely crush the remaining bosses.

Show some patience and respect where due.

Bolded is what I'm getting at. I don't expect perfect rotations or zero mistakes. Heck I'm no perfect player. But there's a difference between going into a group and making some mistakes because you're taking it easy, and going into a group to just auto attack or spam blizzard etc.

You shouldn't go into random group content expecting top level play, but you also shouldn't go into group content expecting everyone else to carry you while you just relax and auto attack while watching a video on your other monitor or something.