FCs buying multiple plots

[SillyCrow]

I think one simple solution would simply to force FCs to retain a minimum amount of active players to retain ownership of the plot.

[Almagnus1]

I think one simple solution would simply to force FCs to retain a minimum amount of active players to retain ownership of the plot.

I've said as much, but one of the counterpoints that gets brought up with that are the couple's FC (like a husband and wife for example) that just want to be by themselves. Real question with this is where do you draw the line for what is (and isn't) considered an acceptable minimum. The main thing people are using solo FCs for are actually the gardens and workshop as that can be a pretty decent passive gil generator if you know what you're doing.

[SillyCrow]

I've said as much, but one of the counterpoints that gets brought up with that are the couple's FC (like a husband and wife for example) that just want to be by themselves. Real question with this is where do you draw the line for what is (and isn't) considered an acceptable minimum. The main thing people are using solo FCs for are actually the gardens and workshop as that can be a pretty decent passive gil generator if you know what you're doing.

Oh, I have a counterpoint for that.

Simply buy a plot as a private estate and then you can have your wife or husband as a tenant with full rights on the plot. The feature already exists; FC housing is not the intended way for couples to share an estate.

[Almagnus1]

Oh, I have a counterpoint for that.

Simply buy a plot as a private estate and then you can have your wife or husband as a tenant with full rights on the plot. The feature already exists; FC housing is not the intended way for couples to share an estate.

I get what you're saying, but there have been players that have done that since like December 2013 when housing has released. That's part of the problem when you look at this entire housing mess as you have players (largely through SE's inaction) that can make a strong argument that it was fine for 8 years... why is it not fine now?

The other real problem with this is say you've got an FC of four (as that's the number of signatures needed to create the FC), and going with the restrictions at https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/ , how do you go about deleting the house due to membership and how much grace period do you give an FC before they lose their house?

[SillyCrow]

I get what you're saying, but there have been players that have done that since like December 2013 when housing has released. That's part of the problem when you look at this entire housing mess as you have players (largely through SE's inaction) that can make a strong argument that it was fine for 8 years... why is it not fine now?

The other real problem with this is say you've got an FC of four (as that's the number of signatures needed to create the FC), and going with the restrictions at https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/ , how do you go about deleting the house due to membership and how much grace period do you give an FC before they lose their house?

Usually that's done with "grandfather" clauses. People who already own housing would not apply to the new rules. However relocating or losing the plot should void that clause.

[Almagnus1]

Usually that's done with "grandfather" clauses. People who already own housing would not apply to the new rules. However relocating or losing the plot should void that clause.

That's just it, though, a check for membership size would have to be ran fairly frequently and there's no fair way to omit certain groups of players, which would indicate a policy change moving forward. Unless you can explain how this would work, I don't really see grandfathering in working here (unlike people that have a personal house per alt and many alts on the same server).

So where does the line get drawn for acceptable minimum FC membership size required for housing ownership? How does that work?

[Nepentha]

I think one simple solution would simply to force FCs to retain a minimum amount of active players to retain ownership of the plot.

No. My FC has three active players atm (including me). The rest either play very sporadically or are taking a break before the expac. Why should we lose our house because you think we should? We paid the money for it, we decorated it collectively. We have FC rooms (including ones for our members who are out on breaks and probably will return in Nov.) We've got a workshop with everything unlocked and both airships and submersibles at max level. We have friends come over from other FCs to hang out or roleplay.

Why should we lose all of that? Because we're one active member short? In an FC with 30 members? (18 separate accounts, and a bunch of alts).

People need to stop trying to take away from players. This is not a fix. The fix is pressuring SE to either give us more wards or finally institute instanced housing larger than just apartments.

[Almagnus1]

We paid the money for it

Can you clarify this point?

[Nepentha]

Can you clarify this point?

Very simple, we as an FC together collected the gil to pay for us to get exactly (1) house. That we all share.

[Almagnus1]

Very simple, we as an FC together collected the gil to pay for us to get exactly (1) house. That we all share.

There have been many that have exchanged all sorts of RL and crypto currency for homes, had to verify as "money" is a bit ambiguous whereas gil is not.