FCs buying multiple plots

[Sotaris]

They have not.

And why should they?

[Sotaris]

When those two players bought out that ward, Mateus was a dead world. There were available plots all over the place. That's why it had been so easy for them to get almost a full ward to themselves. On any world that had an active housing community, they would have had to spread those houses out over multiple wards.

The rage was coming from players who didn't even have characters on Mateus and weren't willing to transfer there to get a house.

Mateus players didn't start getting upset about it until later, after Mateus was adopted by the RP community as an unofficial second home when Balmung got stuck on Congested status and housing on all worlds had started filling up because of Stormblood launch..

It was not those two players at fault for others not being able to get a house. They did nothing wrong - multiple personal house ownership per account was allowed at the time. They had intentionally transferred to a dead world to buy those houses because it wasn't preventing anyone else on that world from getting a house and there had still been plenty of available plots for other players to buy at the time.

It was SE at fault but as usual, players directed their anger at the wrong place..

This. "It don't affect me but im gonna be mawd cause reasons".

[SillyCrow]

I think one simple solution would simply to force FCs to retain a minimum amount of active players to retain ownership of the plot.

[Almagnus1]

I think one simple solution would simply to force FCs to retain a minimum amount of active players to retain ownership of the plot.

I've said as much, but one of the counterpoints that gets brought up with that are the couple's FC (like a husband and wife for example) that just want to be by themselves. Real question with this is where do you draw the line for what is (and isn't) considered an acceptable minimum. The main thing people are using solo FCs for are actually the gardens and workshop as that can be a pretty decent passive gil generator if you know what you're doing.

[SillyCrow]

I've said as much, but one of the counterpoints that gets brought up with that are the couple's FC (like a husband and wife for example) that just want to be by themselves. Real question with this is where do you draw the line for what is (and isn't) considered an acceptable minimum. The main thing people are using solo FCs for are actually the gardens and workshop as that can be a pretty decent passive gil generator if you know what you're doing.

Oh, I have a counterpoint for that.

Simply buy a plot as a private estate and then you can have your wife or husband as a tenant with full rights on the plot. The feature already exists; FC housing is not the intended way for couples to share an estate.

[Almagnus1]

Oh, I have a counterpoint for that.

Simply buy a plot as a private estate and then you can have your wife or husband as a tenant with full rights on the plot. The feature already exists; FC housing is not the intended way for couples to share an estate.

I get what you're saying, but there have been players that have done that since like December 2013 when housing has released. That's part of the problem when you look at this entire housing mess as you have players (largely through SE's inaction) that can make a strong argument that it was fine for 8 years... why is it not fine now?

The other real problem with this is say you've got an FC of four (as that's the number of signatures needed to create the FC), and going with the restrictions at https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/ , how do you go about deleting the house due to membership and how much grace period do you give an FC before they lose their house?

[SillyCrow]

I get what you're saying, but there have been players that have done that since like December 2013 when housing has released. That's part of the problem when you look at this entire housing mess as you have players (largely through SE's inaction) that can make a strong argument that it was fine for 8 years... why is it not fine now?

The other real problem with this is say you've got an FC of four (as that's the number of signatures needed to create the FC), and going with the restrictions at https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/ , how do you go about deleting the house due to membership and how much grace period do you give an FC before they lose their house?

Usually that's done with "grandfather" clauses. People who already own housing would not apply to the new rules. However relocating or losing the plot should void that clause.

[Nepentha]

I think one simple solution would simply to force FCs to retain a minimum amount of active players to retain ownership of the plot.

No. My FC has three active players atm (including me). The rest either play very sporadically or are taking a break before the expac. Why should we lose our house because you think we should? We paid the money for it, we decorated it collectively. We have FC rooms (including ones for our members who are out on breaks and probably will return in Nov.) We've got a workshop with everything unlocked and both airships and submersibles at max level. We have friends come over from other FCs to hang out or roleplay.

Why should we lose all of that? Because we're one active member short? In an FC with 30 members? (18 separate accounts, and a bunch of alts).

People need to stop trying to take away from players. This is not a fix. The fix is pressuring SE to either give us more wards or finally institute instanced housing larger than just apartments.

[Almagnus1]

We paid the money for it

Can you clarify this point?

[Nepentha]

Can you clarify this point?

Very simple, we as an FC together collected the gil to pay for us to get exactly (1) house. That we all share.