Dark Knight Megathread

[Shin96]

Dark Knight shares their amount of actions with other tanks roughly estimated, yet in my opinion feels infinitely worse.

The amount of actions doesn't necessarily imply that a job is more fun to play, it's more about how complex your toolkit is as well as how interactivity works. If all you do is spam 1-2-3 however, it goes without saying that it's excrutiating in repitition. They have removed the underlying framework of what made Dark Knight a fun job to play. I attribute this mostly due to Delirium as well as Dark Arts in 5.0 and the 1-2-3 combo.

As for button bloat, I personally never had that problem. I play on a PC therefore it might be different for console players. I can see it working to some extend, though I fear there's a limit to how much consolidation is possible. Not every job could profit from this concept.

[Falar]

We are the only class I know of with a single combo now too.

Sync'd content is just the worst, it reminds me of in HW when you played PLD and had to sync down to 50 and it was so brain dead.

[garret_hawke]

What I expect out of drk this coming expansion: nothing that fixes the job and since the drk edgy dps Reaper is coming the job numbers will plummet then we might get the chance to have the dev time we deserve to make drk feel good. In the meantime it's more gnb time after all I barely played drk in the last year and a half because it's too clunky.

[Anahlise_Auhn_Giinslai]

That is my plan, I lament... If there is no improvement to Dark Knight in 6.0, I will abandon Dark Knight completely, and Reaper looks like a good replacement.
The best case scenario reaction, to this no-improvement worst case scenario, in my opinion.. would be for the Dark Knight community to treat 6.0 Dark Knight like 5.0 Monk, until Dark Knight is given a rework that solves some problems, like what 5.4 did for Monk... No improvement in 6.0?, and I will say that it is riot time.

[Erit]

And here are some people complaining about ability bloat:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ut-more-skills.


SE is now in a difficult situation. Taking away some ability is wrong. But when they keep them, then it is also not right.


Cheers

You solve button bloat with more elegant design, not by taking a hacksaw to mechanics. Complaints about "button bloat" are complaints about complexity addressed imprecisely, which could be resolved through simple UI redesign that other studios have already hit upon. People who are, in fact, complaining about jobs being more involving to play are almost assuredly trolling.

... Or Scholar mains, but that's a distinction without difference. (I jest, of course.)

[Kalaam]

I don't remember if I posted it before so... Imma say it again(?) just in case.
One subtle different between DRK and WAR, in the way they use their weapon, is their skill level with it. How easily they wield them.
Warrior, from what I saw of its animations while playing it a bit, controls the weight of their massive axe almost perfectly, their attacks often have little over-commitment. The strike is just enough to hit the target and get back in position. They have the raw strength to use such a heavy weapon.
Dark Knights do not. Yes they are strong enough to use their swords, but they are getting carried with their strikes. In both benchmarks featuring DRK, we see how they let the momentum of their swords lead into large arcing strikes (in HW and ShB benchmarks) and it also shows in their attack animations. It's, of course, reminescent of Guts wielding the dragonslayer, but it also leads into the theme I personnaly felt when playing a dark knight before: an erratic, surprisingly fast greatsword wielder. Their attacks over-commit, are wide and leave them open, but they can be surprisingly fast when they get frenzied on their inner darkness, which lets them tank off the hits they take from their wide openings. It's not the same kind of taking hits the warrior would take, bracing for impacts and facetanking it, the Dark Knight wouldn't even take a defensive stance and just keep attacking while magic makes them survive.

[Erit]

Dark Knight wouldn't even take a defensive stance and just keep attacking while magic makes them survive.

"Local hero literally too crazy to understand he's dead."

[Lyth]

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It really only looks this way because WAR spends so much time in their 'ready' posture waiting for their next turn, in order to be historically accurate with Final Fantasy's Active Time Battle System TM.

DRK is furious swarm of dancing blades. You thought there was an open- but oooh, Edge of Darkness to the neck. WAR is turn based combat. DRK is pure artistry.

I wish that they had kept in Low Blow in as a DRK exclusive. It really highlights the flippant disregard for combat 'rules'. Yeah right, there's an opening. Allow me to show it to you.

[Kalaam]

It really only looks this way because WAR spends so much time in their 'ready' posture waiting for their next turn, in order to be historically accurate with Final Fantasy's Active Time Battle System TM.

DRK is furious swarm of dancing blades. You thought there was an open- but oooh, Edge of Darkness to the neck. WAR is turn based combat. DRK is pure artistry.

I wish that they had kept in Low Blow in as a DRK exclusive. It really highlights the flippant disregard for combat 'rules'. Yeah right, there's an opening. Allow me to show it to you.

I hadn't thought of that for WAR but that's a good catch too.
And yeah, I liked Low Blow being a quick attack you could sneak between GCD when it was up, especially after a parry.

[Shurrikhan]

I wish that they had kept in Low Blow in as a DRK exclusive. It really highlights the flippant disregard for combat 'rules'. Yeah right, there's an opening. Allow me to show it to you.

When they removed DRK's unique play around Low Blow by turning it into a Role Action, I felt like they'd 'killed off' Frey for a second time. It hurt. That skill just presented DRK's initial theme so perfectly.