Dark Knight Megathread

[Shin96]

Both questions are equally as valuable, but seeing as how you criticized one of those very questions and then proceeded to answer it here has me very confused as to why you want others to stop making their own suggestions as well. All opinions are valid and have the same goal; make DRK fun again

Because alot of them are just plain basic. It's the same old of what we have right now. Either fix it or screw it; I choose the latter.

The fact we ultimately ended up with this new iteration and its lack of essentially everything, either proves the devs don't care, or they just have nothing better to expand upon.

Now I'm the guy with the unpopular opinions. I tolerate views other than my own of course, but I work in my own interest. I don't want 5.0 DRK to be fixed, I want for it to be destroyed. Completly. To have something new, you have to tear down the old. It's no surprise the toolkit feels so disjointed. It's a bitter memory of sophisticated synergy between the old DRK and what we currently have. Do I care about accessibility for newer players? Nope. Why should I? In the end the fact ultimately is I have to abandon this job in favour of their satisfaction. Sounds ridiculous to me.

There you have it. No sugarcoating, no modesty, just plain honesty. Alot of times these forums remind me of reddit; in a way where you have to apologize for having any opinions at all. If it deviates from the popular opinion its discounted.

Anyhow, I never said people shouldn't give their opinions. I created this thread because no one else thought of doing that. For the sake of collecting data and opinions all across. The truth is, we either ask for what we want or someone else will get what they want. You have enough toxic spergs coming in here disregarding all posts by saying the job is perfect and fine. Remind me why I should be respectful in my approach and considerate.

[Garnix]

People ask for many different things. What's more valueable is straight-up saying what sucks about this job.
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Self-contradiction! I like that! (just kidding!)

I really think Delirium is not that bad. Look at PLD. It has A LOT of button mashing in its rotation (3*Atonement, 4*Holy Spirit, and now 4*Confiteor), and it's not an issue I have ever seen people complain about.
Delirium, IR, Req....all the same, especially now that they are all on 60s.
The main problem with Delirium IMO is not Delirium, it's the rest of the kit that doesn't help it feeling better to use.

[Ryaduera]

Self-contradiction! I like that! (just kidding!)

I really think Delirium is not that bad. Look at PLD. It has A LOT of button mashing in its rotation (3*Atonement, 4*Holy Spirit, and now 4*Confiteor), and it's not an issue I have ever seen people complain about.
Delirium, IR, Req....all the same, especially now that they are all on 60s.
The main problem with Delirium IMO is not Delirium, it's the rest of the kit that doesn't help it feeling better to use.

Yeah I don't actually think the issue is Delirium. Requiescat can be seen as a similar skill too as it's basically your "Time to press Holy Spirit" button, just with a finisher. It's really more about the way it's used being identical. PLD has to use it in a unique way whereas DRK has to use it in the same was as WAR bur WAR had it first back when we had to squeeze Fell Cleave three times in one Berserk. So yea, I'd give this a hard agreement.

[Shin96]

Self-contradiction! I like that! (just kidding!)

I really think Delirium is not that bad. Look at PLD. It has A LOT of button mashing in its rotation (3*Atonement, 4*Holy Spirit, and now 4*Confiteor), and it's not an issue I have ever seen people complain about.
Delirium, IR, Req....all the same, especially now that they are all on 60s.
The main problem with Delirium IMO is not Delirium, it's the rest of the kit that doesn't help it feeling better to use.

The problem I have with it is the uncertainty of what horrible things they come up with next. It was excrutating having to use it 5 times in a row; 3 times is better, but I'm still on the fence because I haven't actually experienced the gameplay flow yet.

If 5.0 was that necessary rework we all needed, how come.. 6.0 and all its lackings came to existence? What is the reason the developers make these choices. Are they tripping over themselves or is this a deliberate choice?

[Duskane]

Self-contradiction! I like that! (just kidding!)

I really think Delirium is not that bad. Look at PLD. It has A LOT of button mashing in its rotation (3*Atonement, 4*Holy Spirit, and now 4*Confiteor), and it's not an issue I have ever seen people complain about.
Delirium, IR, Req....all the same, especially now that they are all on 60s.
The main problem with Delirium IMO is not Delirium, it's the rest of the kit that doesn't help it feeling better to use.

I agree that delirium itself isn't really the problem its that the skill is on DRK is the issue
Req while is spammy it still feels better than Delirium because it grants PLD free movement and it works on clemency.
Delirium doesn't even work on esteem.

[Duskane]

im all for theory crafting or just coming up with move sets you think would be fun ,Dev team will just do their own thing but that doesn't mean we cant guide them at least in the right direction.
but key points for DRK is

DRK needs to feel different to warrior.

Living dead needs to be changed it is a resource vacuum and makes WHM almost required with DRK.

Defensive kit suffers for being too reliant on the blackest knight which is not even that good compared to other Tanks CDs now which also have no cost while TBN has MP cost,Dark mind is too situational and almost a dead button.

Blood weapon is one of the worst skills in the game it hardly works at the best of time wether its AOE,ping or its not actually even being 10s flat.

the Job just needs to feel faster and more rewarding because Siphon strike cycle is just slow and having 10+ OGCD to press doesn't make DRK fast just makes it cluttered and awkward.

[WhyAmIHere]

its so funny that people would say that Dark Arts was too spammy.

SAM's [action that boost damage of next skill] is an example of "Dark Arts" done right.
GNB's Continuation is an example of "Dark Arts" done right.
SGE's Eukrasia is an example of "Dark Arts" done right.

Really just illustrates SE's apprehension and lack of imagination for what to do with DRK.

[LordMaximos]

I never really post on the forum or anywhere, and I feel like this is a pointless endeavor, but if there is any chance that SE might look into this, I hope they see all the voices that ask for DRK changes and improvements... I was content with how ShB DRK worked and honestly, even with all the smack talk about it, I defended my stance cause of how much fun I had, but after seeing how much similar DRK to WAR is, and now seeing how little has been added or changed about the job for EW... honestly its disheartening... I really want to believe SE listens as people always say and change the job to be more of its own identity and not just a diet coke WAR with the worst invul and ZERO self heal... I want to believe that hopefully by dragonsong ultimate we might see some changes

[Danelo]

I never really post on the forum or anywhere, and I feel like this is a pointless endeavor, but if there is any chance that SE might look into this, I hope they see all the voices that ask for DRK changes and improvements... I was content with how ShB DRK worked and honestly, even with all the smack talk about it, I defended my stance cause of how much fun I had, but after seeing how much similar DRK to WAR is, and now seeing how little has been added or changed about the job for EW... honestly its disheartening... I really want to believe SE listens as people always say and change the job to be more of its own identity and not just a diet coke WAR with the worst invul and ZERO self heal... I want to believe that hopefully by dragonsong ultimate we might see some changes

Sounds like you’re at denial. It’s okay. It takes time to work through all the stages of grief and loss. I was there about 3 years ago with DRK. It gets immediately better when you play I job SE cares about.

#BoycottDRK

[AlucaDragonheart]

If they want to take elements from other jobs, why not take one from Sage? Where Dark Arts could act like Eukrasia and change the effects of the 1-2-3 rotation.