Fix Housing Megathread

[Nepentha]

That's why acquisition method is changing because the original problem that SE was trying to solve was people selling the house for real world currency (whether it's crypto or otherwise), which started us down this walk through hell.

You can thank the shell FCs for that one, as they are basically hiding amongst the micro FCs and it's going to force SE to do something no one likes (again) in an attempt to curtail behavior they likely never intended with the housing system, which likely means more house purchase/transfer restrictions along with a few more situations where SE determines that the house should be released beyond the AFK timer. I can understand SE holding the cards close on this one as the best way to screw over the shell FCs is to give them very little warning so the shell FC owners don't have time to react to whatever punitive stuff SE may decide to do - assuming they would ever do that.

Don't speak for SE, please. They've never taken housing away from people in the past, they're not likely going to do so now, shell FC or no. My FC currently has 3 active members in it, including me. The rest either quit the game or are taking a break until the next expansion. You'd see us lose our housing because you're on your same crusade to get to them thar Duke boys-- I mean those one percenters.

The shell FCs are less of a problem than the housing flippers bot clicking their way to homes and selling them for 20 to 70x the placard price (or RMT!). Stay on target.

[Almagnus1]

Don't speak for SE, please. They've never taken housing away from people in the past, they're not likely going to do so now, shell FC or no. My FC currently has 3 active members in it, including me. The rest either quit the game or are taking a break until the next expansion. You'd see us lose our housing because you're on your same crusade to get to those them Duke boys-- I mean those one percenters.

The shell FCs are less of a problem than the housing flippers bot clicking their way to homes and selling them for 20 to 70x the placard price (or RMT!). Stay on target.

I mean, it's not like the house flippers are selling the FCs that own houses, while creating new FCs to go get more houses or anything..... /s

[Nepentha]

I mean, it's not like the house flippers are selling the FCs that own houses, while creating new FCs to go get more houses or anything..... /s

Shell FCs aren't selling their homes. Most of them are doing it for submersibles. Stay on target.

[Almagnus1]

Shell FCs aren't selling their homes. Most of them are doing it for submersibles. Stay on target.

I'm not the one trying to throw up a smoke screen... besides, they say you get the most flack when you're over the target.

So prove your claim.

[Jojoya]

Shell FCs aren't selling their homes. Most of them are doing it for submersibles. Stay on target.

It's a combination. I don't think we can really know for certain which group is the greater percentage unless we could track their housing related activity.

In the long run, both are part of the group of players exploiting the housing system in ways not intended for personal profit. Players were not intended to be selling houses to other players. If SE wanted us to do that, there would be no purchase timer and they likely would have introduced a formal buy/sell system. Individual players were not intended to have access to workshops, let alone multiple workshops. If SE wanted individual players to have access to workshops, any house owner could buy one not just FCs.

[Big_Bap]

It's a combination. I don't think we can really know for certain which group is the greater percentage unless we could track their housing related activity.

In the long run, both are part of the group of players exploiting the housing system in ways not intended for personal profit. Players were not intended to be selling houses to other players. If SE wanted us to do that, there would be no purchase timer and they likely would have introduced a formal buy/sell system.

Individual players were not intended to have access to workshops, let alone multiple workshops. If SE wanted individual players to have access to workshops, any house owner could buy one not just FCs.

SE lowered the number of players required for workshop-related projects from 4 to 1.

Checkmate.

[Almagnus1]

And that's stuff that occurred before release of FFXIV... and considering that housing didn't exist in FFXIV until 9 months later (December 2013 going by https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...7af43f3c43828a ) I'm not sure how relevant that actually is, especially since this clip comes three years after what you've linked:

I mean, Yoshi-P did say the following: https://youtu.be/BJwPCxau7CA?t=334

In terms of people who are reselling, like giving up their home and then trying to sell it off for an enormous amount of gil, that sort of reselling of housing is a no-go. We do not stand for that.

When you do see a player that is obviously utilizing their housing to sell it off for a really high amount, and you do see in party finder, please let us know. Report it to us and then GM's will go in and investigate. And if we do find evidence that it is true that a certain player is going out there selling off their land for an unusually large amount of money, we will try to go in there and make them refund that gil and return the land.

We may have mentioned it before, but we do not allow people to do something as malicious as selling some of these plots. Again, once we have it reported, we will investigate and find the evidence. And once we find sufficient evidence, we will try to address it and rectify the situation.

I would put more weight into the above clip as that's newer than what you have linked, especially since there are no English digests for that live letter, indicating that it was basically Beta information and not something released (and thus, the design changed).

Edit:
Live Letter 6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjoh3VEPyLU
JP Transcript: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/61656

[Jojoya]

SE lowered the number of players required for workshop-related projects from 4 to 1.

Checkmate.

Weird, I don't see where tradeable deeds have ever been added to the game. Seems like they changed their mind after whatever those images were captured from occurred, just as they changed their minds about several other housing related plans they had shared then didn't implement. Try sticking to what is part of the game, like the purchase timer which is there for no other reason than to interfere with the ability to buy and sell.

As for lowering the number needed to craft in a workshop, that had to do with complaints about trying to get the previously required 4 players present to complete fabrication projects for the FC. It doesn't mean that individual players are intended to be running multiple airship and submersible fleets for their personal profit like you do.

If they ever give me the ability to add a workshop to my personal house, then I'll agree they want us to have workshops to run for personal profit instead of to fund FC activity.

[Almagnus1]

As for lowering the number needed to craft in a workshop, that had to do with complaints about trying to get the previously required 4 players present to complete fabrication projects for the FC.

Do you recall what patch that was changed in?

Edit:
Found it, that change happened in 5.2, on Feb 17, 2020 https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...9c08bed75d230d

[Big_Bap]

Weird, I don't see where tradeable deeds have ever been added to the game. Seems like they changed their mind after whatever those images were captured from occurred, just as they changed their minds about several other housing related plans they had shared then didn't implement. Try sticking to what is part of the game, like the purchase timer which is there for no other reason than to interfere with the ability to buy and sell.

As for lowering the number needed to craft in a workshop, that had to do with complaints about trying to get the previously required 4 players present to complete fabrication projects for the FC. It doesn't mean that individual players are intended to be running multiple airship and submersible fleets for their personal profit like you do.

If they ever give me the ability to add a workshop to my personal house, then I'll agree they want us to have workshops to run for personal profit instead of to fund FC activity.

Sorry, it would appear this little exercise went over your head. You're the first person to blab about how they are working on X or doing Y based on information that has never been confirmed on the lodestone. But when that information doesn't suit you, look how dismissive you get. Really cute... Practice what you preach.

Also, your little take on why they brought down the requirement is nothing but a wild opinion. Pay attention to the words being used: