STOP Genderlocking Cosmetics!!

[Amnmaat]

I don't see there any lack of masculine options, to be completely frank. If anything, there's too much of it for my taste. Your daily reminder that "traditonal bruh bruh" varies from culture to culture.

ZedxKayn pointed out more than validly that instead of turning down other people for wanintg something you don't want to have regarding glamours, we can and should ask for both. There's a good chance that both won't happen at the same time, but it doesn't mean that people have to jump on each other or say "it shouldn't happen because I want to have more masculine glamours", whatever this goddamned word means at this point. Surprise, but you aren't the center of the universe, just as no one else is. What people should do is voicing their wishes and then developer will decide what they want to do - they aren't small kids, they know what they want and can do and so they will when they decide so. Also the rising demand for various things is a good indicator for them and their that they need to ask for more budget and more people resources. If people stay shut - they'll never know that there's demand to begin with.

That said, ofc you're free to agree to disagree. I merely stated the fact - people in this thread don't hear each other, neither they want to, if answers in this discussion are anything to go by.

I read through all that and all I saw was a bunch of contradictions.

"Yes, say what you want, disagree!!! But I hate the fact that you're disagreeing with female clothes on males"

[ZedxKayn]

I read through all that and all I saw was a bunch of contradictions.

That's because you see what you want to see and actually illustrate what he's talking about really well.

[Amnmaat]

That's because you see what you want to see and actually illustrate what he's talking about really well.

Incorrect, he's trying to stifle discussion by asking people not to question/challenge the topic at hand.

[ZedxKayn]

Incorrect, he's trying to stifle discussion by asking people not to question/challenge the topic at hand.

Case in point, because most of your posts have had a questionable attitude towards people who disagreed with you rather than the actual topic at hand.

[Amnmaat]

If you're free to disagree with people, people are just as free to disagree with you. No contradiction here. Also I don't hate it, don't see myself saying so in my post and would be glad if people won't put words and meanings I didn't say and mean in my mouth, thank you very much.

People want more masculine options, even if there're enough of them? Ask for them. People want to have more feminine options, even if there're enough of them? Ask for them. It's simple as that. Everything else can be, and will be, decided by developers, not us, no matter how many pages people argue with each other over nothing.



In comparison as well. I'm not from the West, so what I see as masculine may, and likely does, vary from your views. That said, can there be more options to appeal to both parties? Yes. Should there be more options to appeal for both parties? Also yes. What can we do as players? Asking for those options to be included. Everything else falls into DevTeam's hands.

The dev team isn't here to decide; this is what the purpose of a forum is, to discuss. Hiding behind the devs when you don't like the disagreements doesn't look that great on your part. On the contrary, I invite you to tell us why you think it's very important for them to make male characters wear female clothes when they're still working on male viera, female hrothgar, hairstyles for both races, as well as hats/helmets for them, on top of texture update.

To say less of the fact that requesting female clothes on male characters would by standards require male clothes on females. Doubling the amount of development time required to make a lot of these FFXIV store and possibly level 1 clothes.

Case in point, because most of your posts have had a questionable attitude towards people who disagreed with you rather than the actual topic at hand.

Examples? You will find none.
Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

[ZedxKayn]

Examples? You will find none.

Literally look at your last two posts.

Just because you say it doesn't make it true.

Convenient way to brush off criticism, but this is going too far off topic and I won't entertain someone who overuses strawman arguments any further.

[Amnmaat]

Literally look at your last two posts.

Convenient way to brush off criticism, but this is going too far off topic and I won't entertain someone who overuses strawman arguments any further.

The irony in this statement is laughable; I never accused you if doing anything that I couldn't prove. But you accuse me of something that you can't prove and you're talking about strawman arguments? This is why no one takes wanting to see males in dress seriously.

[Halivel]

The dev team isn't here to decide; this is what the purpose of a forum is, to discuss. Hiding behind the devs when you don't like the disagreements doesn't look that great on your part. On the contrary, I invite you to tell us why you think it's very important for them to make male characters wear female clothes when they're still working on male viera, female hrothgar, hairstyles for both races, as well as hats/helmets for them, on top of texture update.

To say less of the fact that requesting female clothes on male characters would by standards require male clothes on females. Doubling the amount of development time required to make a lot of these FFXIV store and possibly level 1 clothes.

And where do I personally state that they should put current workload aside and start removing genderlocks immediately because somebody asked to? I never did, and wasn't even going to.

Is it very important? Probably not. Would it be good to have, if they ever the time to do this work? Yes, for those who need this addition, just as it will be good to have stubble or beards for those who need them (mentioning these because they're the most recent request I can think of). Just because some glamour option is going to be used by a fraction of playerbase doesn't mean it's wasteful - an absolute majority of glamour options is used by a fraction of playerbase anyway. Wheretver developers can work on these requests at all or when is another question. It's obvious they should prioritize work they have at hands first. Doesn't mean that people can't or shouldn't ask for something for future.

[Amnmaat]

And where do I personally state that they should put current workload aside and start removing genderlocks immediately because somebody asked to? I never did, and wasn't even going to.

Is it very important? Probably not. Would it be good to have, if they ever the time to do this work? Yes, for those who need this addition, just as it will be good to have stubble or beards for those who need them (mentioning these because they're the most recent request I can think of). Just because some glamour option is going to be used by a fraction of playerbase doesn't mean it's wasteful - an absolute majority of glamour options is used by a fraction of playerbase anyway. Wheretver developers can work on these requests at all or when is another question. It's obvious they should prioritize work they have at hands first. Doesn't mean that people can't or shouldn't ask for something for future.

I never said you said you immediately, I invited you to explain. Letting male characters wear female clothes and female characters wear male clothes doubles their workload per glamour set and conflicts with male viera, female hrothgar, viera and hrothgar hats/helmets, HD textures, stubble, etc. Adding something new to the project pipeline adds to the work and resources needed to complete these projects.

Let me tell you a secret about Project Management. Every time you add a new feature you're adding extra hours and resources needed for said projects. Good luck "finding time" when they've stated they're hitting the limit of how stressed their 3D artists are in terms of workload.

[Halivel]

I read through all that and all I saw was a bunch of contradictions.

"Yes, say what you want, disagree!!! But I hate the fact that you're disagreeing with female clothes on males"

If you're free to disagree with people, people are just as free to disagree with you. No contradiction here. Also I don't hate it, don't see myself saying so in my post and would be glad if people won't put words and meanings I didn't say and mean in my mouth, thank you very much.

People want more masculine options, even if there're enough of them? Ask for them. People want to have more feminine options, even if there're enough of them? Ask for them. It's simple as that. Everything else can be, and will be, decided by developers, not us, no matter how many pages people argue with each other over nothing.

In comparison to feminine options? Think you should re-evaluate that.There’s been numerous examples given of constant feminine styled glams in the form of male glams. Masculine glams have just seemed like a rarity this expansion alone, but not only that but other expansions as well. Just look at the shisui glams lmao. The devs have constantly pandered to female characters, and do very little to change glams for male characters. Just look at 90% of the healing or even casting gear.

In comparison as well. I'm not from the West, so what I see as masculine may, and likely does, vary from your views. That said, can there be more options to appeal to both parties? Yes. Should there be more options to appeal for both parties? Also yes. What can we do as players? Asking for those options to be included. Everything else falls into DevTeam's hands.