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    Player Gothicshark's Avatar
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    Marielle Sansoleil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jybril View Post
    For me, I honestly don't care what people are. I'm a girl and I wanted 9S outfit too.
    I just think people should be able to wear whatever they please in my honest opinion. Peoples sexuality on the matter doesn't matter to me as they're just clothes.
    Here's another example of something I want, the male version of this:

    Shirt > Dress.
    100% this, I want that suit on my little ari girl. She would look so cute. I have the dress, mostly for the tights. Because sometimes I just want to show my inner goth with candy stripes. BTW, back in the 90s, when I pretended to be a man, I would often wear stripped tights with shorts, in a very gender neutral and gothic look.

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    Last edited by Gothicshark; 01-20-2022 at 08:30 AM.

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    Kizuya Katogami
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jybril View Post
    For me, I honestly don't care what people are. I'm a girl and I wanted 9S outfit too.
    I just think people should be able to wear whatever they please in my honest opinion. Peoples sexuality on the matter doesn't matter to me as they're just clothes.
    Here's another example of something I want, the male version of this:

    Shirt > Dress.
    And, to an extent i agree. It would be a benefit for both the female characters and male characters. My point is, it doesnt change the fact that the game is pretty bias towards feminine clothing. Whereas masculine clothing is much more rare in comparison. We have to acknowledge that it would take immense resources to go to every piece of gear and ungenderlock it so to speak. I think before we even start thinking about that, we need to start seeing some changes and more equality with the sets we're getting now. Because typically gender neutral or ungenderlocked things or male outfits typically look much better on female characters than female outfits look on male characters. So id rather some time be put towards giving us some masculine or male themed gear as opposed to continuing the bias of feminine gear. Then once thats settled i dont really have a problem with ungenerlocked gear so long as we are getting a balance of everything. Problem is again,that takes a lot of resources, which the devs apparently cant even do the bare minimum and make all gear dyable.
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    Tlamila's Avatar
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    Ainslie Tinley
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jybril View Post
    I just think people should be able to wear whatever they please in my honest opinion. Peoples sexuality on the matter doesn't matter to me as they're just clothes.
    Here's another example of something I want, the male version of this:
    Exactly, I don't see why people are bringing sexuality (theirs of other people) into this. It's more about not locking clothes into gender roles. Clothes shouldn't have gender to begin with, they're just clothes. And how does it hurt anybody's eyes to see somebody wear whatever, as long as it's decent?
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    Arlo Nine-tails
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jybril View Post
    For me, I honestly don't care what people are. I'm a girl and I wanted 9S outfit too.
    I just think people should be able to wear whatever they please in my honest opinion. Peoples sexuality on the matter doesn't matter to me as they're just clothes.
    Here's another example of something I want, the male version of this:

    Shirt > Dress.
    Word! Alternatively, I want the female version of those leggings, so I could fully realize a better jester outfit using the Evenstar coat!

    But I agree that the waistcoat being available to girls is a really attractive prospect too.
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    Leone Noir
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    Red Mage Lv 65
    Can't female characters wear most masculine looking gear in the game already? Or am I missing something
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    Livia Bloodletter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Senn View Post
    Can't female characters wear most masculine looking gear in the game already? Or am I missing something
    Still plenty of genderlocks, and some more subtle by having a completely different outfit for both sexes on the same armor.
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Senn View Post
    Can't female characters wear most masculine looking gear in the game already? Or am I missing something
    There are definitely issues with continued locks and gear that transforms by gender, but the claim that it's all about giving feminine gear to male characters is cherry-picking data to drive a narrative that doesn't actually exist.

    Even if we only look at recently unlocked gear, ladies got two fancy tailcoats (wedding and butler) and the frilly-but-historically-masculine High House justaucorps.

    Plus they've had the male half of gendered sets for years: the Best Man's suit, Thavnairian bolero, the sailor suit*, the Ishgardian men's coat**, possibly some others I'm forgetting... The original reasoning presumably being that men wouldn't want to wear the counterpart, so it wasn't worth the work of modelling it, but apparently they've shifted stance on that. So that's why the balance of newly unlocked gear is leaning towards feminine outfits for men at the moment: the other half of the unlock already happened years ago.

    * Admittedly the sailor suit is a poor counterpart to the spring dress, thematically and as a male-targeted outfit, and I would love to see them take a second shot at it. I'm picturing something like a blazer and straw boater hat.

    ** We get the Alpine coat from MSQ and the Adept's set as crafting gear – these are the two variants of menswear for Ishgardian NPCs. Meanwhile we only much later got the Adept-equivalent dress, which is still gender-locked, and have not received the Alpine dress or the hat.

    I do wish the male version of the Thavnairian bustier had been altered along the lines of the level 80 DNC top – I think it would have looked great, and more flattering than the exact copy of the female bustier minus the bust. (Plus the dancer top has silver decorations and a gold version would be nice.) But for things like the maid dress, being feminine is kind of the point, so maybe they don't want to get into questions of when to alter things and when to leave them alone.


    Quote Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant View Post
    Besides I thought a recent update addressed this.
    They are gradually releasing unlocked versions of models since a number were leaked a while ago. From what I can remember them showing, we can still expect the Riviera and Oasis sets – Glade already being unisex, possibly at the expense of us never getting access to the "peasant dress" that I suspect is the intended counterpart.

    Beyond that, there are still a number of things that are gender-locked and neither side can wear the other, and I think those unlocks are going to favour female characters far more than male. There's the Quaintrelle/Boulevardier sets, Frontier, Songbird/Seneschal, two Valentione sets, the black- and pink-ribboned hats, all the yukatas and other beach gear.
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    Elara Almasombria
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    Sagittarius
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    gear that transforms by gender
    At the end of the day is an artistic decision very common in JPN media, I will say if something anyone playing FFXIV should accept and not expecting a JPN company to cater to western sensibilities.

    Also, I don't think it's realistic to have 2 variations of the same armours with dev team already struggling. I think at best we are going to get one model that will look the same for both genders and that will sucks.

    However, I don't mind SE removing gender locks for gear that has not equivalent for the other sex and I also favoured more masculine looking gear for my female character. My opinion remains the same.
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    Last edited by Driavna; 01-19-2022 at 10:51 PM.

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    Bell Jee
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    Phantom
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    Beside genderlocked/class locked(except for af) i think overall we got enough gear compared to before..
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    Rawon Special
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    Bard Lv 100
    considering other mmorpg is even more strict with genderlocking stuff, this game is already heaven for it
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