STOP Genderlocking Cosmetics!!

[Caurcas]

Just stuff everyone in Judge armor. Tis the best in the game. On a more serious note, I don't think SE should spend alot of their strained dev time on working and modeling old gender locked/ race locked glamour items on other races/genders, but rather them to move forward and create more varied and complex gear and glamour items.

[Elena_Skye]

I do agree that genderlocking is stupid. the models are already there and scaling or fitting them for the opposite gender where it needs to be done can be done in a literal breeze. hell, modders managed to make viera display head gear properly without much clipping, it's not a matter of "they can't do it" or "it's a waste of time/resources", these are just excuses.

then there also the people who shout "But then i have to see male characters wearing exposing armor!" maybe don't make fem-locked armor exposing then? also what's there to expose? chests? several glams and even smallclothes do that. are you afraid of skirts on men? then you should ask what the scottish have to say about that.

you literally won't see anything, and the models and textures are already there. what's preventing them is not resources either because when we're talking about compressed models and textures we're talking about kilobytes of data that are already in the game anyway.

To me it just seems like a bunch of excuses from people who are offended by the idea of other people wanting to express themselves, design their character the way they want or immerse themselves without being forced into norms or stereotypes. If you don't like a set of clothes because it's too fem or masc for you, you don't have to wear it, but barring people from wearing what they want is just sad.

[Evergrey]

I do agree that genderlocking is stupid. the models are already there and scaling or fitting them for the opposite gender where it needs to be done can be done in a literal breeze. hell, modders managed to make viera display head gear properly without much clipping, it's not a matter of "they can't do it" or "it's a waste of time/resources", these are just excuses.

SE have excuses for different stuff, like why there's no butt slider (streched out textures).
Why it's difficult to give Viera more hair/hats (clipping).

There are probably more but these are the 2 major ones I can remember that people been asking for a lot and gotten a response as to why.
So yeah, to just code cosmetics to be able to be used by both genders can't be too difficult.
But seeing how they've made the excuses of streched textures and clipping for other stuff I'm sure there would be the same for unlocking gender locked stuff.
Since they are tailored to fit certain body structures and would get warped if put on something not tailored to.

I'd say like someone else said somewhere, instead of going back to re-tailor everything I'd prefer them to try and make new stuff more universally wearable.
that way they can do the modelling "right" from the get-go and there wouldn't be any need for excuses.

[Eldevern]

I guess people who say "it's as easy as a blink" talk about something they didn't experiment by themselves. They proably imagine it's just some kind of copy past. It's not.

Go do 3D models, two genders (two topologies), with animations, clothings. Do the copy past you think as "good enough", you will see how far you're wrong. Unless you don't care for quality.

If it is so easy, why do exist specializations in
texture
modeling
animation
code (C++)
code (OpenGL, DirectX)
3D engine (models, maps)
lights
effects
post-prod?
If it is that easy, one people could do all. Reality is different, ask yourself why.

[Joven]

I guess people who say "it's as easy as a blink" talk about something they didn't experiment by themselves. They proably imagine it's just some kind of copy past. It's not.

Go do 3D models, two genders (two topologies), with animations, clothings. Do the copy past you think as "good enough", you will see how far you're wrong. Unless you don't care for quality.

If it is so easy, why do exist specializations in
texture
modeling
animation
code (C++)
code (OpenGL, DirectX)
3D engine (models, maps)
lights
effects
post-prod?
If it is that easy, one people could do all. Reality is different, ask yourself why.

I think people are mislead by YouTubers who make their own games and such. What they probably don't understand is what they're seeing is a heavily edited outcome of something that generally takes hours and days for the simplest things and most of the ones I've watched use premade assets to speed up the process.

[Iscah]

I would say masculine fashion would be something, like feminine fashion, that accentuates a male's traits. Something like open shirts that bare the chest or ones that are sleeveless to show off muscle. Personally if I wanted my male characters to be dressed masculine I'd just have them with their shirts off. I already do that with my hrothgar alts. Outside of musculature and their bait'n tackle, men don't really have as much to focus on as women.

The semi-open shirts are a good point. Things like the Infantry shirt and the Holy Rainbow series (if only they'd given it a more sensible name) look better on men, and I feel like the female version with the visible bra underneath gives a "showing off" vibe to it where they're just casual loose-fitting shirts on men.

Well a majority of it is as simple as you said. Gear that isn’t a frilly, ribbon fest is a good start. For me it would be headsets that maybe show more muscle or accentuates the chest/abs area of the males. Things of that nature. Like, for some of the frilly or ribbon-y healer outfits, they could easily just turn them into tunics. There’s a big difference between something like the hellfire set and the 2b set is what i mean. The hellfire set has that chest window which is semi-revealing but the overall glamour is pretty masculine. Things of that nature.

Ty for the thought out response! Unfortunately i’m really not a fan of the modern glams. I’ve always been a fan of the medieval type of aspect ff has had [...] I kind of greatly dislike things like the hoodies and the baseball cap etc just because it feels so out of place and i’m a nerd who likes to feel immersed .

I'm honestly confused about what you're saying now vs what you've said in the past, which is usually how much you wanted 9S's gear... but that's modern, which you don't like. And if it had been given out as glamour like 2B's dress, it would have been unisex and would have looked good on female characters so wouldn't that have ruled it out for you anyway?

And the Hellfire armour is something I've always regarded as quite a feminine armour set and never would have expected to get brought up as an example of masculine gear. It's not feminine in the way that the 2B dress is shaped to suit a woman and literally falls flat on a male body shape, but I wouldn't put it on any of my male characters.

So just saying "I want more masculine gear" isn't enough to convey what you actually want. I had really assumed you must dislike the fantasy side of things because that's where male characters do get things that are (to me) unquestionably menswear.

I do agree more things could do with turning into tunics (though we're not totally lacking them as it is) - Ruby Cotton Chasuble is the big one that comes to mind that could have been altered, where just cutting the front flap short would do a lot to make it less dress-like while still being an ornate top and cape.

[SolviteSekai]

I find it ridiculous and offensive (but not surprising) that all of their effort has gone to making bras and panties wearable for men, while putting comparatively little time into allowing female characters to wear male clothing.

We all know why this is, and it's nonsense.

[Iscah]

We all know why this is, and it's nonsense.

We do indeed know: female characters could already equip the male versions of most of the things they've made unisex so far, so there's nothing to unlock.

Also, given the forum's general trolling problem, I'm instantly wary of the motives of someone who spends their first post since 2013 reviving a ten-month-old argument with a potentially inflammatory statement.

[SolviteSekai]

We do indeed know: female characters could already equip the male versions of most of the things they've made unisex so far, so there's nothing to unlock.

Or maybe it's nonsense that my catgirl cant wear the miquote male shorts. Would that destroy the matrix and ruin the game?

The real reason is that male to female is hilariously over represented and nobody cares about female to male. Square wont get any virtue points for pandering to them.

For this very obvious reason, I can assure you male bunny suits and panties will always be priority number one. I'm sure it's a coincidence that Male Bunny's (uwu) were finished in time for Endwalker, and half of the people i know who play the game DIDNT EVEN KNOW they were adding female Hrothgar Soon(TM)

[Iscah]

Or maybe it's nonsense that my catgirl cant wear the miquote male shorts. Would that destroy the matrix and ruin the game?

Unlocking the race-and-gender-specific hempen sets is a whole separate kettle of fish again, given that they have ignored player requests to make them non-race-specific for years.