STOP Genderlocking Cosmetics!!

[Roukiz]

EDIT: Disappointed, but not surprised at the level of homophobia/transphobia, hate and apathy directed towards gender non-conforming people wanting to be able to have options in this game. A sad world.
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I honestly thought we'd start to see more progress the day the both wedding attires were unlocked. Yet here we are, still getting fed cash-shop gender exclusive gear. Even with regular ingame items. Why?

What I find hilarious is that the game purportedly already has female sets like the spring dress, and thavnarian outfit modelled and fitted for all male characters. This has been the case for more than a year now, and yet they're still locked in the actual game lol.

Here are some images I found on the topic over on discord:



What's more shocking and very confusing is that apparently, every single male exclusive designed item is always fitted and wearable for every female race. But the reverse is not true, as the data just doesn't exist at all.



I remember back when people used to defend the genderlocking by bringing up countries such as UAE and the conservative nature of japan. But since everyone can run around in 2B's outfit, there really aren't anymore excuses as to why they're still at this.

Yoshi P, please-

[Theodric]

I'm fine with the gender lock not being a priority to remove if it means more focus on traditionally masculine gear for male characters and traditionally feminine gear for female characters. It's what the majority of people seem to want, after all - and I'd rather not see the game's fashion trends dictated purely by whoever happens to be the the loudest, most vocal voice within the community.

[GrizzlyTank]

I'm fine with the gender lock not being a priority to remove if it means more focus on traditionally masculine gear for male characters and traditionally feminine gear for female characters. It's what the majority of people seem to want, after all - and I'd rather not see the game's fashion trends dictated purely by whoever happens to be the the loudest, most vocal voice within the community.

Not having genderlocking doesn't mean an outfit can't be masculine or feminine. As with the example provided by Roukiz. All the genderlocking serves is to provide frustration for players when they find a piece of gear that looks nice and disappointingly enough it's gender locked.

When i get a pair of pants, i want them to be a pair of pants and not a skirt!

[Kyuuen]

Not having genderlocking doesn't mean an outfit can't be masculine or feminine. As with the example provided by Roukiz. All the genderlocking serves is to provide frustration for players when they find a piece of gear that looks nice and disappointingly enough it's gender locked.

When i get a pair of pants, i want them to be a pair of pants and not a skirt!

Or unnecessarily altered for the opposite gender. Take the Healing top from Paradigms Breech. On females it's got the side that's cut and reveals that side of their torso, also on the shoulders it's got cut outs to see skin. On males they decided they needed an under shirt for whatever reason to hide the same skin. It is fairly frustrating at times.

[Iscah]

Or unnecessarily altered for the opposite gender. Take the Healing top from Paradigms Breech. On females it's got the side that's cut and reveals that side of their torso, also on the shoulders it's got cut outs to see skin. On males they decided they needed an under shirt for whatever reason to hide the same skin. It is fairly frustrating at times.

I do actually like the male version of those tops – I wish there was a way to switch between both designs for both genders.

Still, overall I dislike it when gear gets made more revealing to "femininise" it so... it's the inverse problem but same sentiment.

[Theodric]

Not having genderlocking doesn't mean an outfit can't be masculine or feminine. As with the example provided by Roukiz. All the genderlocking serves is to provide frustration for players when they find a piece of gear that looks nice and disappointingly enough it's gender locked.

When i get a pair of pants, i want them to be a pair of pants and not a skirt!

Resources are finite and the moment gender locks were removed on hairstyles we began getting an increase in the amount of androgynous/feminine hairstyles that are considered too long by many people playing male characters and too short by many people playing female characters.

If they can be unlocked over time when the development team have room to breathe, fine - but I'd rather not miss out on cool looking male attire because the latest dress thrown up on the Mog Station 'needs' to account for the very tiny portion of the player base who wish to clad their character in it.

As it stands, there's also many more players playing female characters who wish to dress up in male attire compared to the number of people playing male characters who wish to dress up in female attire.

[ZedxKayn]

The maid outfit also has a male specific model in the files despite being still genderlocker. Where is it SE...

Also for your second picture, it's not actually a female model, there is no boobs, the "game" can scale the model to fit the race but not alter the model to fit the gender.

[GrizzlyTank]

Resources are finite and the moment gender locks were removed on hairstyles we began getting an increase in the amount of androgynous/feminine hairstyles that are considered too long by many people playing male characters and too short by many people playing female characters.

If they can be unlocked over time when the development team have room to breathe, fine - but I'd rather not miss out on cool looking male attire because the latest dress thrown up on the Mog Station 'needs' to account for the very tiny portion of the player base who wish to clad their character in it.

As it stands, there's also many more players playing female characters who wish to dress up in male attire compared to the number of people playing male characters who wish to dress up in female attire.

Resources are so finite that they go out of their way to make different looking outfits for the different genders, often times with major differences...

Once they have finished the model it really shouldn't me anything more than to click on a few buttons, and load up the model on the different race/sex combinations to see if there is anything out of line.

[Theodric]

Resources are so finite that they go out of their way to make different looking outfits for the different genders, often times with major differences...

Once they have finished the model it really shouldn't me anything more than to click on a few buttons, and load up the model on the different race/sex combinations to see if there is anything out of line.

They do as much because such an approach serves to appease the greater number of players. I think that most people playing a male character do not wish to wear a dress designed with a female character in mind, after all.

[Kolsykol]

I'm fine with the gender lock not being a priority to remove if it means more focus on traditionally masculine gear for male characters and traditionally feminine gear for female characters. It's what the majority of people seem to want, after all - and I'd rather not see the game's fashion trends dictated purely by whoever happens to be the the loudest, most vocal voice within the community.

To some extent I agree with you, because that does tend to be the case.
Or well... The case tends to be that feminine gear/ clothes is removed and masculine is treated as '' the default/ gender-neutral ''.

However I think the devs in FFXIV don't have that approach, I think it's mostly a Western thing and probably has a lot to do with how male dominated gaming and nerdy stuff has been.
And in Japan there wasn't this trend of hyper masculinity in the sense of the West ( ultra muscle men oiled up with machine guns and explosions pewpewpew ).
Femininity is more generally accepted.

It does happen in Asian games when they try to pander to the West tho, or when localization teams decide to start tampering with things.
But that doesn't rly happen in FFXIV either.

I think that even if they made the gear unlocked to everyone it'd still stay the same.
However, I also do think there is truth to the notion that most people who wear feminine gear and clothes on male characters do it as a joke.
Which gets into what I said above, I actually think that gender norms when it comes to men are FAR more rigid than with women even tho people often say the opposite.
A lot of men unironically feel insecure and emasculated by even something as simple as the notion of washing their face with face wash...
Women obviously do get shamed to some extent, but I do think it's far more extreme with men especially in modern culture.

Not having genderlocking doesn't mean an outfit can't be masculine or feminine. As with the example provided by Roukiz. All the genderlocking serves is to provide frustration for players when they find a piece of gear that looks nice and disappointingly enough it's gender locked.

When i get a pair of pants, i want them to be a pair of pants and not a skirt!

Why not the reverse tho?
Pants are already in the OVERWHELMING majority in the game.
Like why is the pants considered the '' true '' version there, especially when in reality a skirt adds more variety than the pants do.

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Look at how they’ve done with caster and healer gear. Even the male ones are incredibly feminine. I’d rather not have that be a thing. Hell, the 2b gear isn’t genderlocked but it’s still heavily feminine and got no male alternative. I’d rather they spend more time coming up with more masculine male glams than trying to come up with ungenderlocked glams that appease a 1%

In fairness, a lot of the gear that drops from the Nier raid does fill that.
The 2B gear is more like a fun reference and 2B's design is ultimately more popular than say 9S.

It'd be cool to have gotten both but they also designed all of the other gear too, so I am more forgiving of it.
I mean in that scenario the 9S gear would've been what was to appease a minority, and some of the gear already is very similar from the Nier raids. It's pretty easy to cosplay him already while cosplaying 2B would've been more difficult.

Big difference between women wearing unisex attires such as trousers and men wearing female specific dresses.

I am not "mad" even remotely, but it seems you are. I am really sorry if I triggered you, I didn't mean to offend you with my opinion, truly.







Wait. I actually don't quite care.

Do not "westernize" FF with such nonsense.

Pants were not unisex historically and still aren't in many countries.
In some countries women wearing jeans is even seen as EXTREMELY sexual and heavily demonized.
And neither were skirts seen as feminine, even in some cultures today men wear skirts.

Point being, these things change.
And maybe we could with a bit less rigid standards.
The whole thing with masculinity and mens gender norms being considered '' gender-neutral/ unisex '' has a lot to do with how women have been shut out of public spaces and not had much of a role outside of the household in fairly recent history.
Combined with rather harshly forced gender norms for men too.

Again I don't disagree with the notion that most will do it as a joke, but a lot of people won't and I think it stops being '' funny '' at some point the more it's normalized.
The same way that women wearing masculine clothes have been somewhat normalized.
Which people absolutely did view as hilarious and shocking.

While we're at it, stop taking AF gear and making it really sexual/childish on female characters. Looking at you, BLM and RDM sets..

So you don't actually want more options?
This is just about what you want.
Because you're telling them to stop doing something that doesn't fit your taste instead of just creating both and unlocking it right now.

Calling options you don't like childish etc and getting into rants about modesty is also totally unnecessary in this discussion.
It muddies the water and makes it sound like you're just interested in ranting against clothing that goes against your taste.