STOP Genderlocking Cosmetics!!

[KizuyaKatogami]

different people find different things visually appealing

idk, who cares how someone wants to dress their virtual doll.

People care because it’s a waste of resources that we already barely have.

[ZedxKayn]

People care because it’s a waste of resources that we already barely have.

A waste of resource to you, but not to people who enjoy said things.
Despite disliking Hrothgars, I'm not gonna call them a waste of resources because it made a minority happy.
I don't know how that's so hard to understand.

Beyond aesthetics, when you go from one sex to another through fantasia and you have a lot of gender locked stuff in your dresser, it becomes a huge waste of space because you can't even trade them for the equivalent of the opposite gender or put them in the armoire. Just for that, at the very least mogstation items have no business being gender locked.

[Theodric]

I think that when the majority of players have certain tastes and those tastes are ignored in favour of appeasing a vocal minority of players instead then it is absolutely a waste of resources. Especially when the original stance of the development team was to embrace traditional aesthetics and now we're missing out on common features such as masculine hairstyles because the majority of new hairstyles are designed to be 'unisex' in a way that just perpetuates androgynous and feminine aesthetics.

I also think that it is very interesting that it's almost always people playing female characters who are quick to downplay the criticism raised by those of us playing male characters.

I rather suspect that the stance would be very different if female characters were mostly only getting niche aesthetics themselves, such as being forced to have glamour designed to cover up all their feminine curves and hairstyles that were the equivalent of, say, a shaved head and little else.

[Amnmaat]

I think that when the majority of players have certain tastes and those tastes are ignored in favour of appeasing a vocal minority of players instead then it is absolutely a waste of resources. Especially when the original stance of the development team was to embrace traditional aesthetics and now we're missing out on common features such as masculine hairstyles because the majority of new hairstyles are designed to be 'unisex' in a way that just perpetuates androgynous and feminine aesthetics.

I also think that it is very interesting that it's almost always people playing female characters who are quick to downplay the criticism raised by those of us playing male characters.

I rather suspect that the stance would be very different if female characters were mostly only getting niche aesthetics themselves, such as being forced to have glamour designed to cover up all their feminine curves and hairstyles that were the equivalent of, say, a shaved head and little else.

Sadly I wouldn't be surprised if they would be happy with manly-looking glamours for females.
However, they would definitely be butthurt if we went on a crusade to make them wear very feminine nun-like robes all the time haha. No pants allowed, no tight fitting clothes on females allowed!

When community managers look at data they should consider who is actually going to use what they're asking for and who is not; it's critical in Marketing, Research, and Data analysis for them to be able to understand these factors. Unfortunately I don't think their staff is that deep.

[ZedxKayn]

It just sounds like you're asking for something else entirely that is not inherently correlated to the OP's topic.

OP wants genderlock to be removed, that doesn't mean less traditionally masculine glamours, they don't cancel each other out, nor does it mean more "unisex" glamour. Additionally a lot of glamours considered unisex in fact seem to heavily lean on the masculine side, because it's acceptable for women to wear what used to be exclusively masculine clothing while the opposite isn't.

In my case, I don't care how an outfit is gendered, if it looks good on my character's figure or compliments the rest of the outfit for things like shoes or hats, I'd like to have it.
I exclusively have mogstation outfits locked for males in my glamour dresser because I have been playing a male au ra for easily over 97% of my playtime (who have a pretty feminine figure btw), I can't use at the time I'm writing this, even if they aren't inherently masculine, or even trade at a salvager, they're effectively wasting inventory slots and are unusable unless I give SE even more money. It is what it is but that doesn't seem very consumer-friendly at all.

I share a lot of the "not enough masculine stuff" woes, but I also very much wish glamour wouldn't be locked by gender or jobs and would give the players more options to make nice glamour.

[SturmChurro]

It just sounds like you're asking for something else entirely that is not inherently correlated to the OP's topic.

OP wants genderlock to be removed, that doesn't mean less traditionally masculine glamours, they don't cancel each other out, nor does it mean more "unisex" glamour. Additionally a lot of glamours considered unisex in fact seem to heavily lean on the masculine side, because it's acceptable for women to wear what used to be exclusively masculine clothing while the opposite isn't.

SE isn't even doing earholes for miqo'te and barely does bows or whatever to hide tail clipping on sets. If the genderlock was entirely removed for all sets moving forward, we would probably get less outfit variation overall.

[ZedxKayn]

SE isn't even doing earholes for miqo'te and barely does bows or whatever to hide tail clipping on sets. If the genderlock was entirely removed for all sets moving forward, we would probably get less outfit variation overall.

And I really think people should ask better from SE especially with the growing popularity of XIV rather than put each other's wishes down in fear of a drop in quality. We should be able to get more new things without other aspects of the game or system suffering for it in the future because the game is not stagnating, whether we will or not is something else.

[Halivel]

It just sounds like you're asking for something else entirely that is not inherently correlated to the OP's topic.

OP wants genderlock to be removed, that doesn't mean less traditionally masculine glamours, they don't cancel each other out, nor does it mean more "unisex" glamour. Additionally a lot of glamours considered unisex in fact seem to heavily lean on the masculine side, because it's acceptable for women to wear what used to be exclusively masculine clothing while the opposite isn't.

In my case, I don't care how an outfit is gendered, if it looks good on my character's figure or compliments the rest of the outfit for things like shoes or hats, I'd like to have it.
I exclusively have mogstation outfits locked for males in my glamour dresser because I have been playing a male au ra for easily over 97% of my playtime (who have a pretty feminine figure btw), I can't use at the time I'm writing this, even if they aren't inherently masculine, or even trade at a salvager, they're effectively wasting inventory slots and are unusable unless I give SE even more money. It is what it is but that doesn't seem very consumer-friendly at all.

I share a lot of the "not enough masculine stuff" woes, but I also very much wish glamour wouldn't be locked by gender or jobs and would give the players more options to make nice glamour.

I'm sorry to say that, but you're talking to a wall. They don't hear you, don't listen you, neither they want to.

[Theodric]

I'm sorry to say that, but you're talking to a wall. They don't hear you, don't listen you, neither they want to.

People are free to disagree with subjective opinions.

Furthermore, I'd argue that the concerns being raised as a counter to the unlock are more than valid when removing the gender lock on hairstyles led to less options for those of us who like traditionally masculine aesthetics.

Nobody is obligated to bend over backwards to support niche aesthetics at every possible turn. Variety is the spice of life and it's time the pendulum began swinging in the other direction once more, even if it's only temporarily.

[Lauront]

Sadly I wouldn't be surprised if they would be happy with manly-looking glamours for females.
However, they would definitely be butthurt if we went on a crusade to make them wear very feminine nun-like robes all the time haha. No pants allowed, no tight fitting clothes on females allowed!

When community managers look at data they should consider who is actually going to use what they're asking for and who is not; it's critical in Marketing, Research, and Data analysis for them to be able to understand these factors. Unfortunately I don't think their staff is that deep.

Indeed, neither perusing Twitter (also reddit etc) nor the forum is going to get you that information. They're a large enough company with skilled enough staff and more than enough resources to undertake such research. While I would like to think they do this, I do sometimes have my doubts...

I and many do all the time on these forums. Players were recently 'rewarded' with male viera, and the (promised?) future addition of female hrothgar, and they seem to be now creating hairstyles and trying to make it easier to add them in general for viera. After players asked 'better', or more, from SE. However, players should also be thinking realistically. Having every single set 'ungenderlocked' as well, after now the addition of the missing viera/hrothgar genders? They stated how much extra work goes into a newly added player race, and now not only are they fitting everything to these new races, players want them to double their workload?

That plus they're hinting at a future engine upgrade plus also upgrading the textures. The former in particular may ease this kind of task if it's ever completed and would be a far superior investment to focus on ahead of diversions of their resources catering to very niche requests. They already seem to be strained from all the projects they're engaged in and I imagine future-proofing the game given the lifespan they now aspire towards is a big priority.