Legacy Achievements

[znushu]

Yes the company wants to reward players who stuck with them.

Getting your legacy toons name in the credits
Getting a back tattoo on that toon if carried over to ARR
and Getting a Sub Discount (costing instead 10$) is more then enough for a reward.

Beside a bunch of you seem to be forgetting one small detail here... they've already been selling legacy rewards for years now and the majorities take at the time it was revealed was generally "who cares" so really, what's the argument here again?



oh yeah, achievements from legacy. Well, I said this before and I'll say it again. I'm fine with legacy achievements being achievable again but only if the Legacy version of the product becomes a playable product again and they earn it through playing through it like it should be. The mounts earned and carried over... yea, I stopped caring about that years ago especially with everything else they added to the mogstation.

[Kyuuen]

Getting your legacy toons name in the credits
Getting a back tattoo on that toon if carried over to ARR
and Getting a Sub Discount (costing instead 10$) is more then enough for a reward.

Beside a bunch of you seem to be forgetting one small detail here... they've already been selling legacy rewards for years now and the majorities take at the time it was revealed was generally "who cares" so really, what's the argument here again?



oh yeah, achievements from legacy. Well, I said this before and I'll say it again. I'm fine with legacy achievements being achievable again but only if the Legacy version of the product becomes a playable product again and they earn it through playing through it like it should be. The mounts earned and carried over... yea, I stopped caring about that years ago especially with everything else they added to the mogstation.

Not sure if you're aware or not, but the China market is handled completely different from that of the rest of the world.

To the topic at hand, no. People that play the lottery get no place in making claims they didn't win due to not playing in the past. People that want to place and be a notable figure in the Olympics don't whine for not having been there due to their own choices. In short if you wanted it, you should have been there and put forth the time. "But I wasn't playing back then!" that's not an excuse or reason to implement this, be there or miss out. People missed out. Time to be adults, admit they missed out, and move on. (note, this is aimed more at the actual legacy rewards)

[Malakii]

Not sure if you're aware or not, but the China market is handled completely different from that of the rest of the world.

To the topic at hand, no. People that play the lottery get no place in making claims they didn't win due to not playing in the past. People that want to place and be a notable figure in the Olympics don't whine for not having been there due to their own choices. In short if you wanted it, you should have been there and put forth the time. "But I wasn't playing back then!" that's not an excuse or reason to implement this, be there or miss out. People missed out. Time to be adults, admit they missed out, and move on. (note, this is aimed more at the actual legacy rewards)

Lol, logic in the forums are interesting. These two examples you give are not relevant to legacy achievements. People that play the lottery still have a chance to win the lottery wither or not they claim or don't claim that they didn't win due to not playing in the past. You still have the ability to obtain it. People that want to be a notable figure in the olympics dont whine for not having been there due to their own choices, but if they make the choice to do it then they can be. Hence still obtainable. Ofc i am using the same blanket statement that you are. Assuming they actually could be a notable figure in the olympics because of their choices. Assuming they had the skills, strength, endurance, determination. IF you think people dont whine about not having these skills then you are dead wrong. The point is all these are obtainable if you have the requirements or get lucky enough to win the lotto. Also this is life, FFXIV is a game.

You have no chance to obtain the 1.0 achievements anymore. As someone that was around during 1.0 that bought the collectors edition. I don't give a rat's ass if everyone can get the tattoo, legacy mounts, the achievements. I played 1.0 because I loved final fantasy and didn't need any rewards to continue to do so. Was it in a terrible state, ofc, did it improve over time before 2.0 yes. Was there other games I could have played, sure. I wanted to play 1.0 and i dont deserve a trophy for that and i play it up till the end. The fact they give us a lower sub is more than they need to do. The title/the rewards are 10 years old. You really want to gate keep that. Its a game not real life. People are so for SE taking things out of the game.

What they need to do is stop taking things out of the game. Stop time gating stupid events like Ishgard restoration (i have the title btw) and pvp mounts lock behind seasons as a one time reward only for that season is so dumb especially for wanting new players to pick up their game. I get why they do it for pvp because they want to funnel people into it, but the fact is it is season 20 and pvp isn't that great. Then those that might want to do it just for the mount. Well if you missed a season x who cares anymore cause you can't get them all. So why not miss this season and the next and the next. Additionally the things SE decides to be time gated exclusivity are plagued with bots and win-traders lol. Why isn't ultimate locked out for time exclusivity. Why can people get the same title as they people that did it first. I am not for doing that I just think this inconsistent approach that SE is taking and this gate keeping is a joke.

I dont even really want to start on achievements/title. They are a mess and alot of them are just do this 1 thing x amount of times. Where x is a redicolous number like i think that just let a random number generator pick for them cause their is sure no logic in it. Where is the logic in 10,000 accursed hordes or a legacy achievement like Never Met a Corpse I Couldn't Rifle. Earn a cumulative total of 100,000,000 gil from defeating enemies. If the person want to put the time into it they should be able to get it. Assuming the have the time, dedication, and skill. In all honestly the achievement system needs to be reworked and they need to get back to putting digital content in game instead of taking it out of the game. These people, myself including, aren't asking to automatically be given shit. We asking to be able to earn things in the game like everyone else did without being punish for suporting them for 5 years then finally taking a break or just starting yesterday.

[Kyuuen]

You have no chance to obtain the 1.0 achievements anymore. As someone that was around during 1.0 that bought the collectors edition. I don't give a rat's ass if everyone can get the tattoo, legacy mounts, the achievements. I played 1.0 because I loved final fantasy and didn't need any rewards to continue to do so. Was it in a terrible state, ofc, did it improve over time before 2.0 yes. Was there other games I could have played, sure. I wanted to play 1.0 and i dont deserve a trophy for that and i play it up till the end. The fact they give us a lower sub is more than they need to do. The title/the rewards are 10 years old. You really want to gate keep that. Its a game not real life. People are so for SE taking things out of the game.

You have a right to that opinion, but not everyone shares it, myself; obviously being one of them. And you can label it as gate keeping all you want, but that is not what it is. It is simply having or not having been there for it.

My point regarding the lottery and the Olympics is such that if you weren't there for it you aren't entitled to past rewards.

[Malakii]

You have a right to that opinion, but not everyone shares it, myself; obviously being one of them. And you can label it as gate keeping all you want, but that is not what it is. It is simply having or not having been there for it.

My point regarding the lottery and the Olympics is such that if you weren't there for it you aren't entitled to past rewards.

I agree with you, but if you love the game. How does denying the new players or people that just need a break for a while benefit the game. How does it help final fantasy grow?

[Hausti]

"But I wasn't playing back then!" that's not an excuse or reason to implement this, be there or miss out.

But at the same time SE keeps adding rewards from older saisonal events to the store for those who missed it.

Time to be adults

And yet you guys sound almost like children who are afraid that theire parents takes away theire shiny exclusive toy and gives it to all the kids in the room.

Imagine for one moment please:
Even if every single player out there had the same archivements, titles or mounts, your character would still be unique to you. And thats because of the unique memories you share with it.

[Krotoan]

Getting your legacy toons name in the credits
Getting a back tattoo on that toon if carried over to ARR
and Getting a Sub Discount (costing instead 10$) is more then enough for a reward.

I don't think they were OWED anything but citing that there are a lot of things that were rewarded for it doesn't mean that the requirements for them were any less unique.

Yeah, you get a lot of cool things for having stuck with it. Nobody is asking for MORE stuff .. except apparently people who want to fulfill the literal letter of the achievement without the context which was the entire point making it special.

Beside a bunch of you seem to be forgetting one small detail here... they've already been selling legacy rewards for years now and the majorities take at the time it was revealed was generally "who cares" so really, what's the argument here again?

Considering China is really it's own thing, basically "franchised" FFXIV.. that's them. Am I surprised a market that values profit above all else decided to sell absolutely everything? No. This doesn't change what the original intent of "legacy" stuff was though.

oh yeah, achievements from legacy. Well, I said this before and I'll say it again. I'm fine with legacy achievements being achievable again but only if the Legacy version of the product becomes a playable product again and they earn it through playing through it like it should be. The mounts earned and carried over... yea, I stopped caring about that years ago especially with everything else they added to the mogstation.

Great.. cause that's very likely not happening.
In Yoshi's own words:
"NIGHTMARE!"

My point is that argument is consumer hostile but the overall question is moot.

The whole idea is moot. This is almost certainly never happening and we are likely never getting "FFXIV classic" so that it'll be an option. Yes.

I'm not sure why you'd even say that as it has been said a few times.

And what's hostile about rewarding people who supported the company in a bad time?

It wasn't a smart decision for sure, but it's not like anyone knew it was going to happen or that they were going to be rewarded. It was severely after the fact.

I understand there's a faction in here who likes to overblow any negative "corporation evil!" thing they can.. but this really isn't some evil gatcha/gambling hook they're exploiting.

[ItMe]

I'm not sure why you'd even say that as it has been said a few times.

I mean, if people aren't allowed to say something that's already been said the mods can probably cut this thread down to about 2 pages lol
IDK

And what's hostile about rewarding people who supported the company in a bad time?

I don't know how I can lay it out differently without just restating myself.
Thanking people for sticking with a bad product is one thing, but a lot of the arguments being tossed around are about supporting blind loyalty, which I disagree with.

[Krotoan]

I mean, if people aren't allowed to say something that's already been said the mods can probably cut this thread down to about 2 pages lol
IDK

It's not that you're not allowed. I'm not a moderator. I'm wondering if you just popped in to only respond to the end there. It's been repeated kind of a lot is all.

I don't know how I can lay it out differently without just restating myself.
Thanking people for sticking with a bad product is one thing, but a lot of the arguments being tossed around are about supporting blind loyalty, which I disagree with.

Maybe clarify at what point this was a move by the company just to manipulate people and how it embodies any sort of consumer hostile practice?


The company is a company. It deserves no loyalty. Ever. I'll be the first to tell you that. I don't see how people appreciating and outlining why the "hey y'all who played the game even when there was a fire in the engine room and we were circling the drain... you can keep your titles and here have some stuff that shows you were there for it" rewards shouldn't and cannot be repeated translates into "you should always blindly support companies because you MIGHT get stuff if they salvage the dumpsterfire of a game you were tricked into buying".

Throwing good money after bad is a bad idea and will not usually result in rewards. It just did this time and asking for those rewards as someone who didn't participate in the actual event in its entirety is not understanding the whole of why those rewards exist.



SE does some shady things sometimes. They participate in FOMO like a lot of other companies do (which I hate) and the whole reason for ARR being necessary is because they thought they could exploit the FF fanbase for some money while investing very little. However every once in a while individual developer teams can implement or get things done for players that show genuine appreciation and aren't just another boobytrapped present. "Caveat Emptor" always but sometimes the free gift is just a gift, not bait.

[ItMe]

but sometimes the free gift is just a gift, not bait.

Why not both?
Even if that isn't the intention that's the function.