Multi-tank busters should apply to the main tank in an alliance instead of a DPS

[ArianeEwah]

So, you want the MT to die to 2 tank busters at once, instead of the best dps in your party, so that the boss runs amok amoung the alliance or the last tank alive after a tank buster? No, thx!

If one or more tank(s) die it may or may not be their fault, and you may or may not pay for that. FF14 is still a MMO, yus a team game. Take one for the team, blame the one(s) who are at fault, and that's that.

If you die it's the fault of the other tanks that did not use tank stances to stay second on the enmity list, which is supposed to be their job.

In alliance raids, tanks don't need to be 1st in their party list, except for the MT.

Tank busters are targeted at TANKs - no matter what - first, and then next in aggro list, if there is no tank.

[Nyarlha]

Tank busters are targeted at TANKs - no matter what - first, and then next in aggro list, if there is no tank.

Point is, the second in the enmity list should be a tank.

[Mavrias]

Point is, the second in the enmity list should be a tank.

Thats great and all, but its entirely irrelevant to what OP is talking about.

In the Nier raids, multi hit tank busters apply to all three tanks regardless of where they are on the aggro list. If Alliance A's tank is dead or DC'd, even if Alliance B and C are first and second respectively on the aggro list, the top DPS in Alliance A is going to take the third tank buster regardless.

[Neihel]

So, you want the MT to die to 2 tank busters at once, instead of the best dps in your party, so that the boss runs amok amoung the alliance or the last tank alive after a tank buster? No, thx!

If one or more tank(s) die it may or may not be their fault, and you may or may not pay for that. FF14 is still a MMO, yus a team game. Take one for the team, blame the one(s) who are at fault, and that's that.

Tanks have the utility to survive a million tank busters worth of damage with their invuln, a good tank will not die in this scenario

In alliance raids, tanks don't need to be 1st in their party list

that is false information, ALL 3 tanks need to have their stance active after the tanks are done with their opener
how are you a lvl 80 warrior main and not know this?

[ArianeEwah]

Tanks have the utility to survive a million tank busters worth of damage with their invuln, a good tank will not die in this scenario

that is false information, ALL 3 tanks need to have their stance active after the tanks are done with their opener
how are you a lvl 80 warrior main and not know this?

Oh, excuse me, didn't know tanks have 24/7 invuls in every scenario to take a million tank busters anytime... *facepalm*

And no, the buster in allaince raids are programmed to target tanks first! Aggro doesn't matter in this case! How can you breathe and not know this? (Seriously, stop insulting others if you didn't check your "facts")

[Neihel]

Oh, excuse me, didn't know tanks have 24/7 invuls in every scenario to take a million tank busters anytime... *facepalm*

And no, the buster in allaince raids are programmed to target tanks first! Aggro doesn't matter in this case! How can you breathe and not know this? (Seriously, stop insulting others if you didn't check your "facts")

They just need one invuln to survive a million tankbusters worth of damage at once, you don't need the invulns active 24/7

and the devs can program the fights to split the buster from the dead tank to the other 2 tanks if they wanted to that's what the thread is suggesting

[ArianeEwah]

and the devs can program the fights to split the buster from the dead tank to the other 2 tanks if they wanted to that's what the thread is suggesting

I know what you mean, but I still disagree. And I've hoped I explained why, but I will try again:

Please keep in mind that not every tank has high gear, so every tank buster can hurt a ton. They are just doing their thing, so don't expect anything that requires high awareness.
Please keep in mind that not every healer in alliance raids are aware of other parties tanks, mechanics/movement etc., or some are even too fixed on dmg.
This is just a disclaimer, as this is my general experience in alliance raids, so yours might differ.

The most important role in alliance raids is healer, followed by tank, at last place dps.
Let's say we have following situation: (which in my experience is quite common during "content drought", or first week)
Your party's tank is down (for whatever reason, let's call them captain vul stacks), right after some mechanic happens that requires movement, and aoe dmg is incoming. Other party's (and your own) healers are either occupied (rezzing peeps etc.) or dead. 3 tank busters go out, but instead of targeting someone from your party, the 3rd and last tank buster hit the MT, also - just as you suggested. Our MT does not have invul ready, so they are using at least one mitigation CD.
This brings up some questions:
Is the MT aware that one tank is missing and 1-2 CD are not enough?
Is the other (last) tank going to survive the tank buster plus auto hit while the healers are occupied?
And lastly: is the boss going rampage through the alliance?

In my experience this is most likely to happen. This would not happen as long as the last tank buster hits some random dps.
Yes, it sucks, especially when you are top dps. But it's less likely to result in a wipe than with your suggestion implemented.

Alliance raids are what you would call "afk/braindead content". Neither you nor me can expect others looking further than their own shadows. I wish it would be different, but that's just how it is.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

that is false information, ALL 3 tanks need to have their stance active after the tanks are done with their opener
how are you a lvl 80 warrior main and not know this?

I'll second that this is completely rubbish, I've often been an OT in alliance without stance and still taken the intended simultaneous tankbuster while a couple DPS were ahead of me on the aggro list.

[Neihel]

I'll second that this is completely rubbish, I've often been an OT in alliance without stance and still taken the intended simultaneous tankbuster while a couple DPS were ahead of me on the aggro list.

I'm aware that the busters would automatically go on a tank but OTs should always have tank stance on during alliance raids the poster said OTs don't need stances on at all

The idea is you you do your tank opener with the stance off and after the opener you can freely activate tank stance, if you somehow still end up stealing aggro it means the MT wasn't outputting enough damage to keep up with you

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

I'm aware that the busters would automatically go on a tank but OTs should always have tank stance on during alliance raids the poster said OTs don't need stances on at all

The idea is you you do your tank opener with the stance off and after the opener you can freely activate tank stance, if you somehow still end up stealing aggro it means the MT wasn't outputting enough damage to keep up with you

I mean you didn't state otherwise initially, and it is not an absolute requirement to turn your stance on as an OT in Alliance unless it's absolutely needed (adds), if tank goes down, and neither tank is second in threat you might get an auto attack before another tank takes over...so what?

In the event of a tank buster coming up just after your party's tank dies and you get targetted... tough is what it is, wait for a raise and get on with it.

Just feels you're venting out your salt at a bad experience in an Alliance raid, but tbh, Alliance raid is never been some high end content, it's always been a story/ catch up content.

Different alliance fights have different targeting rules for their tankbusters, healerbusters and dpsbusters. Some fights have single target busters that target the person with the highest enmity while others have mutlitarget busters that prioritize the tank in each party. You can usually tell the difference based on how the fight is set up.

No Alliance raid has an aggro mechanic outside of MT taking auto attacks or adds, unless the tanks are dead before simultaneous tankbusters, then it will target first threat I guess in the dead tanks party.