Multi-tank busters should apply to the main tank in an alliance instead of a DPS

[ArianeEwah]

And this is why I always say the Off-Tank should never have their tank stance off. Just use shirk after your initial burst.

As I and aodhan have said above: in the scenario that OP describes, there is already a MT, and they want them to take 2 (or 3) tank busters at once when there is 1 (or 2) tanks missing/dead on the ground. In alliance raids, you don't need tank stances on one boss except for the MT, and you shouldn't use it either. It would turn into an aggro fight, as you have no freaking clue how much aggro the other generates until you rip the boss from them. And then we would be back to square one.

This is why we should have Diversion back

If everyone would have diversion and use it on CD, their enmity ranking to other dps will most likely not be any different. And if healers don't have any aggro dumps, they will be targeted next, and that would be worst case scenario!

The importance of roles (in general) goes like this: healers -> tanks -> dps
While dps and healers can hold without tanks for a little while, they wouldn't survive busters.
Without a healer, everyone will die sooner or later, so they are essential for the survival of the party.
Unless there is a hard dps check, the dps role takes the lowest priority.

(With skill and gear, some of these points may lose value, but that is just for the general case, just as alliance raid.)

STILL: just because your role is more important than the others, don't act entitled. You have responsibility, so act like it!

[Iscah]

I assume it is programmed to pick one person from each party, favouring the tank.

In the end, it's just an alliance raid. If you get targeted, do the right thing and run into position at the front like the tanks do, accept that you're probably going to die from it and a healer will come to scrape you off the floor soon enough.

[Aluja89]

As I and aodhan have said above: in the scenario that OP describes, there is already a MT, and they want them to take 2 (or 3) tank busters at once when there is 1 (or 2) tanks missing/dead on the ground. In alliance raids, you don't need tank stances on one boss except for the MT, and you shouldn't use it either. It would turn into an aggro fight, as you have no freaking clue how much aggro the other generates until you rip the boss from them. And then we would be back to square one.



If everyone would have diversion and use it on CD, their enmity ranking to other dps will most likely not be any different. And if healers don't have any aggro dumps, they will be targeted next, and that would be worst case scenario!

The importance of roles (in general) goes like this: healers -> tanks -> dps
While dps and healers can hold without tanks for a little while, they wouldn't survive busters.
Without a healer, everyone will die sooner or later, so they are essential for the survival of the party.
Unless there is a hard dps check, the dps role takes the lowest priority.

(With skill and gear, some of these points may lose value, but that is just for the general case, just as alliance raid.)

STILL: just because your role is more important than the others, don't act entitled. You have responsibility, so act like it!

Naw.

Like I said, use shirk. I never had an issue neither should anyone else.

[Aurida]

If everyone would have diversion and use it on CD, their enmity ranking to other dps will most likely not be any different.

Right, but the others in my party wouldn't use it on CD, which would cause them to die and me to not die, which I do not see as a problem

[Neihel]

So, you want the MT to die to 2 tank busters at once, instead of the best dps in your party, so that the boss runs amok amoung the alliance or the last tank alive after a tank buster? No, thx!

If one or more tank(s) die it may or may not be their fault, and you may or may not pay for that. FF14 is still a MMO, yus a team game. Take one for the team, blame the one(s) who are at fault, and that's that.

Tanks have the utility to survive a million tank busters worth of damage with their invuln, a good tank will not die in this scenario

In alliance raids, tanks don't need to be 1st in their party list

that is false information, ALL 3 tanks need to have their stance active after the tanks are done with their opener
how are you a lvl 80 warrior main and not know this?

[ArianeEwah]

Naw.

Like I said, use shirk. I never had an issue neither should anyone else.

Are you just unable to read and comprehend, or why these un-needed and un-necessary phrases?

OP: "Help, my party's tank is down, and I am next in aggro, the tank buster is killing me. SE should direct every tank buster back to the MT."

You: "The tank should've used tank stance and shirk!"

[ArianeEwah]

Tanks have the utility to survive a million tank busters worth of damage with their invuln, a good tank will not die in this scenario

that is false information, ALL 3 tanks need to have their stance active after the tanks are done with their opener
how are you a lvl 80 warrior main and not know this?

Oh, excuse me, didn't know tanks have 24/7 invuls in every scenario to take a million tank busters anytime... *facepalm*

And no, the buster in allaince raids are programmed to target tanks first! Aggro doesn't matter in this case! How can you breathe and not know this? (Seriously, stop insulting others if you didn't check your "facts")

[Neihel]

Oh, excuse me, didn't know tanks have 24/7 invuls in every scenario to take a million tank busters anytime... *facepalm*

And no, the buster in allaince raids are programmed to target tanks first! Aggro doesn't matter in this case! How can you breathe and not know this? (Seriously, stop insulting others if you didn't check your "facts")

They just need one invuln to survive a million tankbusters worth of damage at once, you don't need the invulns active 24/7

and the devs can program the fights to split the buster from the dead tank to the other 2 tanks if they wanted to that's what the thread is suggesting

[Aluja89]

Are you just unable to read and comprehend, or why these un-needed and un-necessary phrases?

OP: "Help, my party's tank is down, and I am next in aggro, the tank buster is killing me. SE should direct every tank buster back to the MT."

You: "The tank should've used tank stance and shirk!"

The scenario OP wrote is something else entirely, since that's just bad luck if the only tank in the alliance party is down. But this happens a lot when OTs don't have their stance on.

I thought I was clear.

[Sqwall]

Ok....

I can understand when people are new to 24 man raids, and they have some fairly cryptic telegraphs at times and tanks die. But if what you're proposing is if 2 tanks are dead, and that when the tank busters go out the only tank alive gets all three? I can't slow blink enough for this....

The current design of falling to the next in line for agro per group is better then deleting a tank for understanding the fight. I should not be punished because I tank well and get one shot because my co tanks made mistakes.

Agro should be the tanks SOLE responsibility, and if tanks don't have tank stance ON...you're doing it wrong! Tank stance should always be on which is why I say it's ONE step away from becoming a trait, which would further solidify tanks having to work together rather then a pissing match of who can do the most tank DPS.

These recent threads are telling me more and more about how little DPS mains know about tanking and agro management in general.

Example: Diamond Ex has a tank specific line AOE that goes out periodically to the highest agro two party members. If I'm tanking...and I bite it...that line aoe will more then likely target a healer or highest DPS and most DPS/Healers don't know its coming until I see them scramble out of the group hitting everyone on the way out. When I get a rez....I MUST PROVOKE ASAP or that line aoe will just keep deleting people...one...by...one... Flip that around....when I heal or DPS...I know this a thing because I have tanked Diamond Ex like 100 times. I see a tank is dead...I instantly look at the agro bars...Let's say I'm gold and I'm second on in line for agro....I'm on my MNK.

You're saying I should pop Diversion to keep myself from dyeing...agro then goes to the WHM....that healer gets one shot. Should I have used Diversion?

The answer is NO.....because Diversions intent was to help tanks that couldn't output enough DPS to hold agro effectively.

Here's some pearls of wisdom...talk to your tanks...let them know what's up...help them...stop trying to make DPS even more braindead then it already is by pushing mechanics off you're shoulders onto the tanks....they have enough to deal with keeping your selfish ass alive.