Multi-tank busters should apply to the main tank in an alliance instead of a DPS

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

that is false information, ALL 3 tanks need to have their stance active after the tanks are done with their opener
how are you a lvl 80 warrior main and not know this?

I'll second that this is completely rubbish, I've often been an OT in alliance without stance and still taken the intended simultaneous tankbuster while a couple DPS were ahead of me on the aggro list.

[Neihel]

I'll second that this is completely rubbish, I've often been an OT in alliance without stance and still taken the intended simultaneous tankbuster while a couple DPS were ahead of me on the aggro list.

I'm aware that the busters would automatically go on a tank but OTs should always have tank stance on during alliance raids the poster said OTs don't need stances on at all

The idea is you you do your tank opener with the stance off and after the opener you can freely activate tank stance, if you somehow still end up stealing aggro it means the MT wasn't outputting enough damage to keep up with you

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

I'm aware that the busters would automatically go on a tank but OTs should always have tank stance on during alliance raids the poster said OTs don't need stances on at all

The idea is you you do your tank opener with the stance off and after the opener you can freely activate tank stance, if you somehow still end up stealing aggro it means the MT wasn't outputting enough damage to keep up with you

I mean you didn't state otherwise initially, and it is not an absolute requirement to turn your stance on as an OT in Alliance unless it's absolutely needed (adds), if tank goes down, and neither tank is second in threat you might get an auto attack before another tank takes over...so what?

In the event of a tank buster coming up just after your party's tank dies and you get targetted... tough is what it is, wait for a raise and get on with it.

Just feels you're venting out your salt at a bad experience in an Alliance raid, but tbh, Alliance raid is never been some high end content, it's always been a story/ catch up content.

Different alliance fights have different targeting rules for their tankbusters, healerbusters and dpsbusters. Some fights have single target busters that target the person with the highest enmity while others have mutlitarget busters that prioritize the tank in each party. You can usually tell the difference based on how the fight is set up.

No Alliance raid has an aggro mechanic outside of MT taking auto attacks or adds, unless the tanks are dead before simultaneous tankbusters, then it will target first threat I guess in the dead tanks party.

[Neihel]

it is not an absolute requirement to turn your stance on as an OT in Allianceso what?

it is a requirement to fill a role that you queue as unless you're okay with healers that do not heal

Because you think it's better to make the game even more casual?

For the number of times I have tanked in alliance raid, I take almost no damage even with tank buster, as long as you know how to anticipate and the healers are not sleeping, with a little bit of stuff, even with the two dead healers, you can still hold on for a good while, until the next tank buster, if the healers of the other groups are not sleeping too.

Well timed, a defensive tank CD + mitigation that all healers have, you don't take more than 20% of your Max HP.
Also, there are no mechanics to switch between tanks in Raid Alliance. So don't try to make it even easier.

The raid alliance is relatively easy content. Stop trying to change the game, but try to progress, learn to play...

you didn't even the thread at all, nobody said anything about making the game easier for tanks, I am suggesting that tanks should be more difficult as a role
I want that 20% to be a 40% if another tank in a party is dead instead of just deleting a random member in the alliance
the game can even display an indicator over the tank buster marker with the the number 2 or a + sign to indicate that one of the OTs are dead so you need stronger CDs

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

it is a requirement to fill a role that you queue as unless you're okay with healers that do not heal

Yea it's called picking up adds when they spawn and press the buttons that make the incoming damage less ouchie at the proper times. Then keep on top of rotation.

As long as the healers can weave a oGCD heal my way once in a while I should be fine, most of the Alliance raids don't even hurt that much tbh.

[Neihel]

Yea it's called picking up adds when they spawn and press the buttons that make the incoming damage less ouchie at the proper times. Then keep on top of rotation.

when you're off tank you should be number 1 on your party's aggro list on bosses so if the main tank dies you're next in line to tank the fight instead of a dps dying

Your job as tank is soak and mitigate damage for the party, but not to start aggro fights with other tanks.

we literally have a skill called shirk which you can use on any low emnity party member in an alliance, and you can wait for your opener/burst to be done before turning on your stance just don't burst with tank stance on as an OT
aggro management is part of the tank role, if you can't manage your own aggro and start aggro fights that's your fault

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

when you're off tank you should be number 1 on your party's aggro list on bosses so if the main tank dies you're next in line to tank the fight instead of a dps dying

you know it takes 1 oGCD weave window, to turn on stance and provoke right, literally takes 2 seconds.

[ArianeEwah]

it is a requirement to fill a role that you queue as unless you're okay with healers that do not heal

Are you really a veteran tank? Because what you just wrote makes no sense.

Your job as tank is soak and mitigate damage for the party, but not to start aggro fights with other tanks.
If aggro is the first thing you want, then why do you not have 2 tanks in raids with tank stance, playing spin to win with the boss?
Because you have ONE main tank, not 2, nor 3.

If aggro is required to soak damage, then yes, use your tank stance. But if there already is a MT in an alliance raid, tank stance is not an absolute requirement

@aodhan_ofinnegain:

[Naoki34]

it is a requirement to fill a role that you queue as unless you're okay with healers that do not heal



you didn't even the thread at all, nobody said anything about making the game easier for tanks, I am suggesting that tanks should be more difficult as a role
I want that 20% to be a 40% if another tank in a party is dead instead of just deleting a random member in the alliance
the game can even display an indicator over the tank buster marker with the the number 2 or a + sign to indicate that one of the OTs are dead so you need stronger CDs

It's okay if you don't understand what you're being told.

[Neihel]

It's okay if you don't understand what I'm saying.

I don't have to when it's unrelated to the topic, I am not asking for busters to have their damage reduced like what you think