Battle Command Design -PLEASE FIX IT

[Khal_Drogo]

I'm not saying you guys are idiots... I'm just saying I found nothing positive about that suggestion...

edit: I just reread your post.. and I must be crazy because it sounds like you said "Why can't people just come in here and agree with me"
You sound like Hillary Clinton Circa 2007-2008
Who says that?



haha... why would we not say that? maybe because we don't feel that way...
Are you trolling? I'm not accusing you... I'm just asking

Why would you expect people to come in and say they agree with you when they clearly don't agree with you.... I don't get it... Im missing something

Well, if you take the mssg out of context (like you did), then yes it comes off that way. But he was, obviously, referring to the general theme of the thread. Almost, EVERYONE, agrees that the current UI is complete S#$%. Not all them like MY idea, but they do agree that a change needs to be made.

Natabant was simply proposing that everyone should start being constructively critical of other ppl's ideas, rather than coming in here and saying: "your idea is CRAP! ME NO LIKEY!!!! <end post>"

And, I hate to tell you this, but the reason this game is failing so badly is b/c it failed to please it's XI fanbase. SE was pretty much guaranteed to get EVERY fan from FFXI to play this game, had they just brought back some of the fundamentals (i.e. battle UI, targetting system, job system (although it did need some tweeks w/ the nin crap going on), jse and level specific armor, party play for exp'n, general battle pace, etc.). And, now, b/c of their desperate attempt to appeal to WoW players and "like-minded" pc gamers, XIV is dying.

It's a classic case off "cut off your nose, to spite your face" or w/e the hell that saying is... Your ostracizing the only player-base that will pretty much guarantee this game's success. The game is being released to PS3. It's being *RE*-released to PC. Who do you think is more likely to rush to the stores to purchase the game? PC players into WoW, SWtOR, EQ, GW and so on? .....or PS3 players who are into XI?

[Rydin]

Almost, EVERYONE, agrees that the current UI is complete S#$%.

Sorry.... I stopped reading right there... Maybe you made some good points after that... maybe you didn't...
But I hate when people make baseless generalizations like that
Almost everyone? really? many posts in here have supported your idea but those are all by 2 people....
I've seen quite a few people say they have no problem with the Action Bar... and others who say they just want to be able to see all their cooldowns....
You just can't speak For everyone....
Bad Khal... SMH

edit:
ok... that was mean... I went back and read your entire post....

And, I hate to tell you this, but the reason this game is failing so badly is b/c it failed to please it's XI fanbase. SE was pretty much guaranteed to get EVERY fan from FFXI to play this game, had they just brought back some of the fundamentals (i.e. battle UI, targetting system, job system (although it did need some tweeks w/ the nin crap going on), jse and level specific armor, party play for exp'n, general battle pace, etc.). And, now, b/c of their desperate attempt to appeal to WoW players and "like-minded" pc gamers, XIV is dying.

And I've got to say.... three hundred thousand people does not a successful game make...
It might not be "losing" money... but its not breaking any records.....
FFXI AT IT'S HEIGHT... did 500k.... FFXIII sold 2 million in the first week.. IN JAPAN ALONE

SE definitely wanted all the different players to come together.... But what they DIDN'T want was the FFXI vets alienating non FFXI players....

Like I said.. FFXI had some great ideas that FFXIV could use... the battle UI is just not one of them

And to take it a step further... Some FFXI players used Macros for everything...
In which case the new system is not unlike the FFXI one for them

[Khal_Drogo]

I've seen quite a few people say they have no problem with the Action Bar... and others who say they just want to be able to see all their cooldowns....
You just can't speak For everyone....
Bad Khal... SMH


And I've got to say.... three hundred thousand people does not a successful game make...
It might not be "losing" money... but its not breaking any records.....
FFXI AT IT'S HEIGHT... did 500k....

SE definitely wanted all the different players to come together.... But what they DIDN'T want was the FFXI vets alienating non FFXI players....

Like I said.. FFXI had some great ideas that FFXIV could use... the battle UI is just not one of them

And to take it a step further... Some FFXI players used Macros for everything...
In which case the new system is not unlike the FFXI one for them

Ok, I'll admit that I EXAGGERATED a bit...Not everyone thinks that the battle UI is "complete s$%t;" but most do agree that it's not ideal, and they absolutely want SOME sort of change (they just don't quite know what).

And I dunno what the hell you're talking about w/ XI's customer base. It was somewhere in the several million range in it's peak (like 2.5M to 3.25M). I assume you pulled it out of your a@@ just to make a point lol, but point not made...

"Bad Rydin...SMH"



And, btw, 3 million+ ppl are worthy of SE's attention. PC gamers had their chance. They tried the game; they hated it cuz it wasn't a WoW clone; and now they're going to ruin it for XI fans by trying to make it more appealing to *their* community.



P.S. What does SMH mean?

[darkstarpoet1]

Ok, I'll admit that I EXAGGERATED a bit...Not everyone thinks that the battle UI is "complete s$%t;" but most do agree that it's not ideal, and they absolutely want SOME sort of change (they just don't quite know what).

And I dunno what the hell you're talking about w/ XI's customer base. It was somewhere in the several million range in it's peak (like 2.5M to 3.25M). I assume you pulled it out of your a@@ just to make a point lol, but point not made...

"Bad Rydin...SMH"



And, btw, 3 million+ ppl are worthy of SE's attention. PC gamers had their chance. They tried the game; they hated it cuz it wasn't a WoW clone; and now they're going to ruin it for XI fans by trying to make it more appealing to *their* community.



P.S. What does SMH mean?

i'm not sure where you got these numbers from at all. according to wiki the most players xi had was 500k subscribers.

"As of 2006, between 200,000 and 300,000 active players logged in per day, and the game was the dominant MMORPG in Japan.[4] As of 2008, in an announcement for three additional expansions in development, SE noted Final Fantasy XI still has a strong user base of around 500,000 subscribers."

now it did go on to state that in april of 2009 that they had reached 2mil total characters, but this is not subscribed players nor taking into account of the people that played several alts.

"In April 2009, Square Enix announced that the total number of active characters exceeded 2 million for the first time."

my numbers come straight from wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XI

where do your 3.5 mil numbers come from?

[Khal_Drogo]

i'm not sure where you got these numbers from at all. according to wiki the most players xi had was 500k subscribers.

"As of 2006, between 200,000 and 300,000 active players logged in per day, and the game was the dominant MMORPG in Japan.[4] As of 2008, in an announcement for three additional expansions in development, SE noted Final Fantasy XI still has a strong user base of around 500,000 subscribers."

now it did go on to state that in april of 2009 that they had reached 2mil total characters, but this is not subscribed players nor taking into account of the people that played several alts.

"In April 2009, Square Enix announced that the total number of active characters exceeded 2 million for the first time."

my numbers come straight from wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XI

where do your 3.5 mil numbers come from?

lol wow...I see that you're right now. I feel retarded. I trusted the word of my friend, who is known to pull sh$% out of his a$$...I should've known better. Well, if that's the case, I'm more than happy to settle for somewhere around the same.

XI was at it's "peak," for me, somewhere between 2004-2005. I don't know what the exact subscriber count was, but there were ppl all over the place, leveling in the major areas (Dunes, Korolloka, Qufim, Kazham, Altepa, etc.). CoP had just been released, recently, and the game was really flourishing. Personally, I'd rather see the game go back to some of the core aspects of FFXI (at least as far as battle UI, battle pace, targetting, party play/exp, and so on); but if the game can really get to a point where we've got millions of subscribers....then I'm willing to let most of this stuff go. XI was AWFUL when areas started to empty out.

So, "Kings to you, Fernand..." lol -Count of Monte Cristo quote

[Jinko]

They tried the game; they hated it cuz it wasn't a WoW clone; and now they're going to ruin it for XI fans by trying to make it more appealing to *their* community.

This game was never targeted at FF11 players, if you look at the interviews prior to beta, Tanaka wanted a casual experience similar to WOW and Yoshida seems to have a similar vision.

Simply you are not getting your battle command list back, deal with it.

Because what they have right now is kind of half ar$$ of everything... Doesnt satisfy the controller players nor the PC gamers...

Isn't this being addressed in 2.0 though, man did any of you read that PDF stuff or do you just assume and complain.

[Khal_Drogo]

This game was never targeted at FF11 players. If you look at the interviews prior to beta, Tanaka wanted a casual experience similar to WOW and Yoshida seems to have a similar vision.

Simply [put], you are not getting your battle command list back; deal with it...

Sorry to "necro" my own thread, but I haven't been on the forums later, and just saw this post. Seriously, dude, that's the most ASININE comment I think I've ever read on these forums. And over the past year on these forums, I've come across a lot of ignorant sh$% on here; so that's saying a lot.

You have no idea how hard it is for me to refrain from raging about how similar this game is to XI. But to say that the developers weren't even targeting XI fans when they envisioned this game? Are you KIDDING me?!

I'm just going going to take a quote from someone on "your side of the fence," and post it here for you:

The thing is, like you stated in this paragraph, XI and XIV are mostly only similar in appearance and aesthetic. The main reason behind this (which has been stated in interviews) is that XIV started out as an HD remake of XI, and then the team took it in a new direction.

All I can say is..........wow

[Allistar]

Like I said.. FFXI had some great ideas that FFXIV could use... the battle UI is just not one of them

And to take it a step further... Some FFXI players used Macros for everything...
In which case the new system is not unlike the FFXI one for them

Actually, I find using the action bar nothing like using macros from XI, and XI did do a lot of good things, majority of which were not SOP for an MMORPG, its biggest claim...it refused to be a WoW clone, or EQ, or any number of other online rpgs out there...granted it did take some good things from the games that came before it...but when it was all said and done...you knew XI from anything else, it felt different, it looked different and it played different.
Also, a game doesn't need to break records to be successful of profitable...

[Rydin]

Actually, I find using the action bar nothing like using macros from XI, and XI did do a lot of good things, majority of which were not SOP for an MMORPG, its biggest claim...it refused to be a WoW clone, or EQ, or any number of other online rpgs out there...granted it did take some good things from the games that came before it...but when it was all said and done...you knew XI from anything else, it felt different, it looked different and it played different.
Also, a game doesn't need to break records to be successful of profitable...

Yea... thats true.. you don't have to be the biggest game ever to be a success...
But you've got to think SE wants to tap into all of these people buying these offline final fantasy titles...
Im an idealist and call me crazy but I really do think you can please everyone... ok.. maybe almost everyone... Some people will never be satisfied....
I don't know exactly how you would please most people though... but then again... I'm no game designer

[Khal_Drogo]

Yea... thats true.. you don't have to be the biggest game ever to be a success...
But you've got to think SE wants to tap into all of these people buying these offline final fantasy titles...
Im an idealist and call me crazy but I really do think you can please everyone... ok.. maybe almost everyone... Some people will never be satisfied....
I don't know exactly how you would please most people though... but then again... I'm no game designer

Most ppl don't have the "vision" to recognize "bliss" even when it's slapping them in the face. It may sound a bit narcissitic of me, but I think I know exactly what it would to take to please, virtually, every gamer out there. Nvm, it sounds REALLY narcissistic lol

The problems with games today, however, cannot be condensed into a handful of posts on these threads. And, unfortunately, since we're not face to face, it's easy for our ideas to get misinterpreted. And, frankly, ppl love to b%#@h. They won't ever stop...even when they get their way.

And, no, I'm not being hypocritical. Had XI exchanged the increase in lvl cap to 99 for a "limitless" upgrade to all meritted attributes, skills, and abilities, I can honestly say that I would be completely content with that game. That's just 1 example of a "perfect" game that would quell my "rage."