Remove Extremes from Mentor Roulette

[LukrShiba]

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I don't mind getting them every now and again, especially if people are willing to listen and we actually have a chance of clearing. I'm very patient when it comes to trying to help players with them, but it's more than a little frustrating when people just don't want to listen, and especially recently, that's more that 80% of my runs in them.

It's also extremely unfair that Binding Coils isn't in Mentor Roulette because a lot of the fights are 'too hard' for new players, when you can get Nidhogg Extreme no problem at all.

My proposal would be an Extreme roulette, since the word 'Expert' would fit nicely and it is taken, I suggest perhaps 'Challenge' Roulette as a name ?
It could include Extremes and maybe Coils in there too. This way there are still players doing them, and it'd solve a lot of the salty mentors as well, since 99% of the time a mentor is the first to leave in one of these parties, and I've had to report a couple for straight up being toxic / trolling in the roulette.

High rewards for a roulette like that would really entice players to do it.
Also adding a little warning to extreme fights the first time you queue for it that's like "this is hard content, beware !" would be good. Considering Bozja has that, it's not a hard thing to add, and would likely make players consider leveling up their playing skills or asking for help before stepping into the duty.

[Nethereal]

First we remove msq.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Also adding a little warning to extreme fights the first time you queue for it that's like "this is hard content, beware !" would be good. Considering Bozja has that, it's not a hard thing to add, and would likely make players consider leveling up their playing skills or asking for help before stepping into the duty.

I mean, having Extreme in the title should be a pretty good indicator.

[ZedxKayn]

I mean, having Extreme in the title should be a pretty good indicator.

Nah, when you're a sprout who's been able to get away with facerolling everything so far, even "hard" stuff, the word Extreme isn't very intimidating

[Nethereal]

Nah, when you're a sprout who's been able to get away with facerolling everything so far, even "hard" stuff, the word Extreme isn't very intimidating

The extreme version of a dungeon that lets you get away with afking and having everyone else carry your weight? Well must mean I have to not afk, that's pretty extreme.

[Eien713]

I think people suggested something similar before and I remember some replies said that the chances of people other than the clueless ones queuing for this roulette would be low since this would only bring them pain (unless maybe if the reward was really worth it). Honestly? As someone who suffered through the 2000 Mentor Roulettes, you wouldn't catch me queuing for any of those fights willingly, and I expect many to share this sentiment. The sheer despair when I got tagged in one of those fights was devastating. An hour of your time can easily be wasted for nothing (even when you explain stuff).

I think what the game needs to do is to either remove those fights altogether from the Mentor Roulette without necessarily creating a roulette for them, or it just needs to explain better to the players that extreme fights are no joke. They're such a jump in difficulty compared to the regular faceroll content that a proper warning is necessary. And even with an added warning, I'm almost certain clueless people would still queue for those fights while being blissfully ignorant of the misery and agony that lie ahead. They'd probably think to themselves: Welp, how difficult can it really be?

I'd personally vote for option 1--remove those trials altogether. It's not a mentor's job to write walls of text to explain what a video would do a better job at, and it's certainly not a mentor's job to carry people who don't wanna make an effort.

[Jeeqbit]

In these trials, you get synced to the maximum item level of the expansion and have The Echo build up with each wipe and that makes it a lot easier for new players to beat them in a roulette and allows them to overcome DPS checks that they normally wouldn't because of being unprepared. They are still harder than a normal trial though but these things make a big difference and do allow new players to clear a lot of them.

A big problem is how some Extreme trials are labeled as The Minstrel's Ballad so even if a new player has been told to avoid Extremes until later, they don't recognise The Minstrel's Ballad as an Extreme and queue for it.

[ryouma17]

first thing we need to do is remove any type of rewards from the mentor system then once we have mentors that have the crown to actually help people and not chase rewards/think NN is their own personal chatroom then we can start worrying about what is or isnt showing up in the mentor roulette

most mentors give the game a bad name

[LukrShiba]

first thing we need to do is remove any type of rewards from the mentor system then once we have mentors that have the crown to actually help people and not chase rewards/think NN is their own personal chatroom then we can start worrying about what is or isnt showing up in the mentor roulette

most mentors give the game a bad name

Although I agree there are a lot of bad mentors, or people who get really impatient too quickly. Removing rewards won't really help in any way, it'll just have less people in mentor roulette which means less people helping.
I like helping people, and I like mentor roul because it's a quick roul to run, especially on DPS, and I think even without the x Mentor Roul rewards I'd still run it. BUT. I would not do it nearly as much as I do, and that's stopping someone who is rather genuine from helping, and I'm sure 90% of other mentors would be the same.

Genuine question is why do people think removing the mentor rewards will help mentors be less shitty ? It'll just make a big fuss for the people who are close to completing it or just started and really wanted them.

[Stepjam]

I mean, having Extreme in the title should be a pretty good indicator.

People really don't understand the differences in difficulty between content until they get personal experience.

Like I remember, when I was in the home stretch of my initial experience of getting current, I was around the end of Stormblood, and I first heard about the Unending Coil of Bahamut. And my first thought was "Man, that would be pretty cool to clear, I'm gonna look forward to that". I had no concept of how hardcore that content even was.

Of course Extreme is many steps down from Ultimate, but I can definitely imagine that most players see extreme and don't expect too much going in. Especially since they just dealt with the jump from Normal difficulty to Hard and it's barely a jump at all, just more players.

edited first sentence because I didn't mean you specifically.