Please implement something to teach players how to play

[Wavaryen]

Why do people equate wanting just a tiny bit competency to wanting some sort of competitive-level speedrun? I just wish the DNC to AoE and the WHM to use Holy instead of Cure.

It's a multiplayer game, someone playing "their way" directly negatively impacts how the players they are matched with will play and enjoy (or not) the game and time in the duty, putting up with it because it's DF is an option but not an expectation or else the party are toxic elitists who only want speedruns.

The problem is the game lets people get away with basically AFKing through the entire MSQ, so they don't learn a thing, I've had more challenge with Gen 1-4 Pokémon for example (which is still not much really), video games aimed at literal children, than with FFXIV. A video game for KIDS is better at teaching players to maybe think a little bit about the buttons you're pressing than FFXIV.

We don't. We are just saying that in a match making system. It is not anyone place to ask for said competency. That is it. The content is design around not needing competency to do. Sure it will be slower, but that is fine.


Some people don't want challenge. I know a 60+ old lady who plays this game, and does not even understand what a dot is. She plays a summoner. She was able to do all the content.



If you doing match making content, I don't see how it is anyone business on how other players play. The game made the group, and no standards was set in the making of group.

[Shurrikhan]

If you doing match making content, I don't see how it is anyone business on how other players play.

Why wouldn't it be?

You're saying it like it's obvious, but you've provided no grounding reasoning here. Why would it be unreasonable for a group of typical players to hold other typical players to standards greater than absolute zero?

I highly doubt you're fine with utter irresponsibility in your other public interactions, be that driving, shopping, or even among such low stakes as in conversation or other (e.g., physical) games.

[Wavaryen]

Why wouldn't it be?

You're saying it like it's obvious, but you've provided no grounding reasoning here. Why would it be unreasonable for a group of typical players to hold other typical players to standards greater than absolute zero?

I highly doubt you're fine with utter irresponsibility in your other public interactions, be that driving, shopping, or even among such low stakes as in conversation or other (e.g., physical) games.

Because you did not make the rules, you did not make the group. In what standards do you have a right to tell others how to play in said content?


The game itself made that group for you and the game does not have an standard by what skill you need to be in that group. If I wanted people to play by a set standards, I would make my own group and make sure people knew what they are. Both sides can say the same thing about each other because of that. If DF had a standards that all players must follow. You than would have a right to tell people to be at it.



It is that simple. What you are saying about public interactions the other side can say the same to you about. Both sides are willing to run over each others fun. it is a no win type deal for people who want them to get better.

[Shurrikhan]

Because you did not make the rules, you did not make the ground. In what standards do you have a right to tell others how to play in said content?

The content accessed through the DF is still a known medium, a form with a given design, situated in a certain way, from which it takes on expectations according to that form and situation. It does not matter that the people are random; the setting for their interactions is neither novel nor random.

Consider the public interactions example. Even if it were somehow absent of danger, I could expect more from others driving beside me than meandering across lanes, stopping per their fancy anywhere and anytime, etc. Even if it did not waste my already meager time to buy food, I still would not appreciate someone else's child running headlong across the deli counter. Even if there were no trauma possible, I would not appreciate someone entering a conversation just to, through blatant lack of tact or compassion, sour everyone's mood. And one can obviously judge or channel their own actions accordingly. One need not make the "rules" -- though even that is too strong and too inflexible a word -- to have an understanding and appreciation of what behaviors do or do not burden others.

Dungeons as reached through the dungeon finder are still a setting which at the very least gives incentive and situation for certain behaviors, from which one may infer how they are meant to be interacted with. If one's behaviors are clearly at ends with its systems of situation and incentive, those they are burdening have every right to complain.

Yes, there are limits, lest the burden simply swap from one's access, in being able to do what content they want within the reasonable limitations of their available time and skill, to another's enjoyment, in being able to interact with the content in a particular way (that is still at least reasonable given how that content is situated and its incentives managed through design). But there is no hard rule of "if random, be mute".

[ZedxKayn]

We don't. We are just saying that in a match making system. It is not anyone place to ask for said competency. That is it. The content is design around not needing competency to do. Sure it will be slower, but that is fine.

No, if I get matched with someone who plays poorly, it most definitely impacts how I will play and enjoy myself, and would very possibly result in my death, and as such I have every right to speak up and ask for a party member to rub two braincells together. Died during a pull because the WHM spammed Cure and didn't use Benediction or Asylum? I'll say something. Because the DNC was afraid of the pack of 12 mobs and stayed as far away as they could to single target them? I'll ask for AoEs.

Some people don't want challenge. I know a 60+ old lady who plays this game, and does not even understand what a dot is. She plays a summoner. She was able to do all the content.

So what if she's 60? She should still be very capable to learn what a DoT is, would the game actually teach. The problem is that pressure that isn't on the underperformer's shoulders has to go somewhere, and usually it's on the shoulders of the rest of the party. Most of the time, though it really shouldn't, it goes just fine, but occasionally it will go south, and just because someone is clueless about their job or the game way into lv70+ content. And when it does, it's when whoever is left alive will start feeling the weight of the world on their shoulders.

If you doing match making content, I don't see how it is anyone business on how other players play. The game made the group, and no standards was set in the making of group.

See first paragraph.