Open World PvP

[KizuyaKatogami]

Ashes of Creation I am betting will try its hardest to get those hardcore PvP players in.. but as soon as their usual grief other players out of the game happens. Well they will either change the game to make everyone else's lives easier or their game will go p2w and die a slow death. So many have their hopes up for that game but it looks ready to fail already and it's not even near out yet. Happy with ffxiv not having PvP be a major part of the game.

Kinda strange to assume something of a game that isn’t even out of alpha yet... It looks much more promising as a game with its gameplay and lore system/world building than 14 at least. Looking forward to it much more than Endwalkers at this point.Kinda sounds like people are a bit scared of finally having some competition eh?

[van_arn]

There is no fairness or balance in PvP, a good PvP setting usually is quite the mess in one way or another.

In case you have forgotten or simply dont know, The Feast was originally designed with fairness and balance in mind, since so many of the casual community asked for it. Now, the only fairness that exist within that mode, is the handful of people that not only inhabit it, but monopolize all the ranking rewards for themselves within a certain discord channel. And they get away with the wintrading
every.
single.
time.

I can't speak of the pvp community in this particular game, especially with wintrading, but this seems like another example of fair being dull.

Kinda strange to assume something of a game that isn’t even out of alpha yet... It looks much more promising as a game with its gameplay and lore system/world building than 14 at least. Looking forward to it much more than Endwalkers at this point.Kinda sounds like people are a bit scared of finally having some competition eh?

This game goes into the same bucket as Star Citizen. I'll see if I care a month after it releases.

[Theodric]

I hope Ashes of Creation does very well for itself. FFXIV could certainly do with some healthy competition to prevent stagnation and it'd force the development team to be bolder and more creative in their attempts to maintain relevance.

It seems like a win/win scenario to me.

[GrimGale]

There is no fairness or balance in PvP, a good PvP setting usually is quite the mess in one way or another.

In case you have forgotten or simply dont know, The Feast was originally designed with fairness and balance in mind, since so many of the casual community asked for it. Now, the only fairness that exist within that mode, is the handful of people that not only inhabit it, but monopolize all the ranking rewards for themselves within a certain discord channel. And they get away with the wintrading
every.
single.
time.

Well, I wouldn't go as far as to call the very concept of competiton within videogames completely absent of fairness. I am sure it is possible to create a system that matches players in a fair way, just like sports in real life. Cathegories are possible. Of course it is in human nature to push the limits of everything, including its own rules.

I understand the whole "This is why we can't have nice things" around PVP, and how it can hurt a game and a community. Precisely that is why I personally think Open World PVP would hurt more FFXIV's community than help it flourish. That being said, maybe the devs could surprise us. Maybe they could turn the whole system upside down and create a good WPVP system, but so far I am skeptical.

[GrimGale]

...but this seems like another example of fair being dull.

Then instanced zerg chaotic random team 72 players arenas should be right up your alley.

[van_arn]

Then instanced zerg chaotic random team 72 players arenas should be right up your alley.

Sorry what? My eyes drooped at "instanced" and I started to drift off.

[GrimGale]

Sorry what? My eyes drooped at "instanced" and I started to drift off.

Too bored to have discussion then. What are you even doing here?

[Rae88]

ESO now has yet another new premium currency added to it since I last played. Glad I didn't get too into that game either. Every nicer mount I like the look of is in it's cash shop and not even for crowns its those freaking Gems from loot boxes, nightmare.

I have been playing ESO for the past few months and the cash shop is becoming pretty intrusive. And people are becoming pretty free and open at throwing pretty significant amounts of money around for loot boxes and houses. It's kinda disappointing TBH? I dropped the game a week ago, ESO feels like an unhealthy habit to really dive into imo.

[ElciaDeiLinus]

An interesting read for anyone invested in WPVP, or for FFXIV devs- check out the WoW forums/reddit for threads titled 'Testing Same-Faction Battlegrounds in Burning Crusade Classic'. It technically is about instanced pvp, but it's heavily effected by wpvp balance, and most of the discussion in the threads is regarding wpvp, which in wow is opt in.

Consider the insane vitriole, hatred between factions and the developer that all stems solely from wpvp issues.

I don't think SE can do wpvp well (I actually don't think any of the developers that focus on it do it well either)- they can barely do instanced pvp.

[Rae88]

An interesting read for anyone invested in WPVP, or for FFXIV devs- check out the WoW forums/reddit for threads titled 'Testing Same-Faction Battlegrounds in Burning Crusade Classic'. It technically is about instanced pvp, but it's heavily effected by wpvp balance, and most of the discussion in the threads is regarding wpvp, which in wow is opt in.

Consider the insane vitriole, hatred between factions and the developer that all stems solely from wpvp issues.

I don't think SE can do wpvp well (I actually don't think any of the developers that focus on it do it well either)- they can barely do instanced pvp.

Rest in pieces Alliance. Was so fun in WPvP also running around outnumbered 4 to 1 all day and not being able to get much done