Open World PvP

[Rae88]

It'd just breed so much toxicity. Many people who would roll on a PvP 'server' would eventually regret rolling on a PvP server (like I did in WoW Classic when the humungous ganking started and factions would block dungeon entrances preventing dungeoning).

Oh boy Limsa factions denying Ul'dah factions the opportunity to ... I dunno, gather specific nodes. Guilds controlling resources. I don't really want to think about it TBH. I play FFXIV for a nice, chill experience. Open World PvP isn't something I'd want in FFXIV.

EDIT: Also PvP servers will fail, like they failed in WoW. Most servers will end up being controlled by a faction to the extent where PvP is no longer possible.

[Neoyoshi]

It's not. You can only play against other players in a few designated places. ;-)

Ahhh, okey dokey. I wouldn't mind seeing more instanced PvP content, like *cough* Bliztball *cough*.

However I'm not sure how I feel about playing Triple Triad against a NPC, grinding away at it, hoping a certain card drops, and all of a sudden,
a ray of bright light engulfs the area with the hot attunement of a White Mages <insert scary dps spell), melting me to nothing but a pile of ash for some mean Lalafell to sweep up. xD

My tomestone will read: "Died while playing Triple triad, he didn't get the card he wanted."

[Rae88]

Ahhh, okey dokey. I wouldn't mind seeing more instanced PvP content, like *cough* Bliztball *cough*.

However I'm not sure how I feel about playing Triple Triad against a NPC, grinding away at it, hoping a certain card drops, and all of a sudden,
a ray of bright light engulfs the area with the hot attunement of a White Mages <insert scary dps spell), melting me to nothing but a pile of ash for some mean Lalafell to sweep up. xD

My tomestone will read: "Died while playing Triple triad, he didn't get the card he wanted."

Glorious White Mage hijinkery? Maybe open world PvP would be better than I though :P /jk

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Also want to throw in that any game that tries to cater to the more niche hardcore pvp community inevitably turns more "carebear" because surprise a smaller playerbase that nolife's and doesn't spend as much money is not enough to fund development and keep the servers up. Next step is throw in some P2W and then go full F2P if you had any sort of paywall in there to access the game. Any major pvp game I have tried had this happen or similar.

Ashes of Creation I am betting will try its hardest to get those hardcore PvP players in.. but as soon as their usual grief other players out of the game happens. Well they will either change the game to make everyone else's lives easier or their game will go p2w and die a slow death. So many have their hopes up for that game but it looks ready to fail already and it's not even near out yet. Happy with ffxiv not having PvP be a major part of the game.

[Rae88]

Also want to throw in that any game that tries to cater to the more niche hardcore pvp community inevitably turns more "carebear" because surprise a smaller playerbase that nolife's and doesn't spend as much money is not enough to fund development and keep the servers up. Next step is throw in some P2W and then go full F2P if you had any sort of paywall in there to access the game. Any major pvp game I have tried had this happen or similar.

Ashes of Creation I am betting will try its hardest to get those hardcore PvP players in.. but as soon as their usual grief other players out of the game happens. Well they will either change the game to make everyone else's lives easier or their game will go p2w and die a slow death. So many have their hopes up for that game but it looks ready to fail already and it's not even near out yet. Happy with ffxiv not having PvP be a major part of the game.

Do you think New World will go the same way? Excited to try the crafting in New World and I'm hoping it's moved far enough away from full loot PVP everywhere so this doesn't happen to them

[GrimGale]

PvP is in essence, a dynamic experience. Every player you encounter can be at a different skill level; there is challenge, and excitement. That's what makes PvP, and PvP oriented games interesting to me. Rewards for a good experience are simply a bonus.

Fair PVP also has ranking systems, matching systems and equally sized sides and teams. You might fight stomping on people of lower skill and gear fun, but the ones at the bottom won't probably enjoy them. If this keeps happening, the bottom will thin out and then the top will get bored and leave. If not properly monitored and regulated this system will always collapse.

Do you get this fairness in open world PVP? Wouldn't a matchmaking system go against it? It seems to me that world PVP without any sort of matchmaking is in essence a skewed system that promotes unfair fights, ganking and abuse, that it lives on the top threading on the bottom and that is what ultimately causes it to crumble at every turn.

A "toggle" option for world PVP would protect those who don't want to participate, certainly. But ultimately it can only reward players with cosmetic/inconsequentially mechanical items or else it becomes mandatory for PVE progression.

[GrimGale]

When I see comments like this, I know the poster doesn't go out into the world at all.

Are you sure you replied to the right person?

[BaconBits]

Ahhh, okey dokey. I wouldn't mind seeing more instanced PvP content, like *cough* Bliztball *cough*.

However I'm not sure how I feel about playing Triple Triad against a NPC, grinding away at it, hoping a certain card drops, and all of a sudden,
a ray of bright light engulfs the area with the hot attunement of a White Mages <insert scary dps spell), melting me to nothing but a pile of ash for some mean Lalafell to sweep up. xD

My tomestone will read: "Died while playing Triple triad, he didn't get the card he wanted."

I'd actually like to see Blitzball introduced as a new game mode, but I wonder how it would work.

A pretty large part of Blitzball in FFX was leveling up and learning new abilities like Venom Shot and Venom tackle, so maybe that could be done in real time during matches. Maybe make it so the abilities you learn are based on which role you chose, like tanks can be blockers and gain access to higher tier blocking skills, healers are support and gain skills to restore a teammates hp/bolster the group's defense, melees can break through opponent to steal a ball or get past guards. Meanwhile casters could probably have access to more esoteric effects like sleep ball or dark ball to hinder a target's performance, while ranged could be the role that specializes in making shots on the goal. Each role could cap at say rank 5 or something during the match, and once the match ends and a new one begins, everyone is returned to rank 1 to prevent a bunch of rank 5's from stomping people that are just starting out.

I have absolutely no idea how any of this would be balanced or if it's even feasible with this game's jank netcode, but I'd love to see it.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Do you think New World will go the same way? Excited to try the crafting in New World and I'm hoping it's moved far enough away from full loot PVP everywhere so this doesn't happen to them

Their proposed cash shop already has me thinking to give it a pass honestly. They have said they "may" sell QoL items or boosts, which is just PR speak for once we want the boost in profits and you guys are invested enough WE WILL sell them. Not only that they have already contradicted themselves as they stated previously they would not consider selling anything but cosmetic items until 2022 but they already are considering putting them there now. They wanted to see people's reception to the idea and ofc it was negative so now it's damage control with no no, no P2W we promise!

Add on that Amazon's track records with games thus far have not been great. I would say keep hopes low and sure give it a try. But I surely would not invest heavily into that game until a couple years later and you see where they take the game and its cash shop. It was only about a year and a half or so for BDO to go from "we won't put in any KR server p2w" to them adding in a "value pack" monthly booster and just dogpiling from there till eventually it become full blown P2W with no arguments against it.

ESO now has yet another new premium currency added to it since I last played. Glad I didn't get too into that game either. Every nicer mount I like the look of is in it's cash shop and not even for crowns its those freaking Gems from loot boxes, nightmare. Unless we see New World have a high playerbase and keep it that high, I feel it only inevitable that the pressure from above for ever higher profits will push them to creep in scummier cash shop stuff. Shame the greed for ever higher profits ruins so many previously lovely games.

[Anhra]

Fair PVP also has ranking systems, matching systems and equally sized sides and teams. You might fight stomping on people of lower skill and gear fun, but the ones at the bottom won't probably enjoy them. If this keeps happening, the bottom will thin out and then the top will get bored and leave. If not properly monitored and regulated this system will always collapse.

There is no fairness or balance in PvP, a good PvP setting usually is quite the mess in one way or another.

In case you have forgotten or simply dont know, The Feast was originally designed with fairness and balance in mind, since so many of the casual community asked for it. Now, the only fairness that exist within that mode, is the handful of people that not only inhabit it, but monopolize all the ranking rewards for themselves within a certain discord channel. And they get away with the wintrading
every.
single.
time.