Zepla and Asmongold discuss FF14 vs. WoW

[Puremallace]

I generally don't watch streamers since I much prefer the tactic of engaging players through forum posts but I'll be very happy if there's some prominent streamers casting a light on some of the issues with FFXIV. That makes it more likely that the issues will somehow be addressed.

Just watched a group of people clicking a placard in the mist some there for the last 10 hours trying to buy a small plot of land. Yeah housing is not really a feature in FF14 for a majority of the players.

[Hunky]

Great discussion. I really appreciated Zepla's input. She brought up a lot of good points.

As a side note, I actually really like Asmongold. I think he's hilarious, but he's also intelligent.

His chat can definitely be chaotic, but Asmongold himself is not the toxic person so many people claim him to be. He just has different opinions, but that doesn't make him a bad person. I don't always agree with him (for example, his opinion about male Viera is something I definitely disagree with), but I know that it's just an opinion and it doesn't offend me at all. If anything, I find his honesty refreshing.

I hope he enjoys the game. If not, that's ok. He's allowed to dislike stuff just like everyone else.

[ItMe]

Nice link.
This was a good vid and without this thread I wouldn't have seen it. Thanks OP.

[FelixDaCat]

It was a brilliant watch. Zepla is a great ambassador for the game.

[Jojoya]

In general I’m not a fan of his streaming persona or his rabid fan base but this was a very good and frank discussion about the games. I actually enjoyed it.

That's the thing. He left his streaming persona out of the discussion so it was something most could appreciate.

What people fear is what will happen if/when he turns the streaming persona back once he starts playing.

He's the one who's said he wants to be able to just enjoy playing through the game to get a real look at what the game is like. If he turns the streaming persona on while he's playing, that won't happen. Personally I hope he leaves it off for his own sake.

[van_arn]

It was a brilliant watch. Zepla is a great ambassador for the game.

She didn’t say a lot that needed to be said. Stuff like the structure of the game; most new players don’t appreciate the magnitude of the msq, or how the majority of time spent isn’t actually grinding— it’s watching.

FFXIV is a bit unique in that, to get started, you need to play a game released in 2013. That game has had few changes over the years (outside of pruning) and the content that shows the game in a better light can take hundreds of hours to get to.

Just a time investment seems like a “ok whatever” thing to a typical mmo player, but they don’t appreciate how much of that time is spent watching the game rather than playing it. The story is great, but you need to be in the right mindset to take it in. If you start skipping the voiced stuff to get to “the endgame” faster you’ll just resent the story getting in your way. While this is a perfectly valid way of playing the game, I’d rather do the warning ahead of time so people know what to brace for before it’s too late.

They also have trouble understanding how ffxiv has endgames rather than an endgame, with the endgame of a given expansion unlocking as the base expansion is completed. Coils and extremes are still the endgame from 2013, but they can participate in “the endgame” much earlier than they expect. This is partially why we see so many sprouts confused that those nice people in duty finder no longer want to help them in extreme — they just don’t realize they’re trying to participate in an endgame activity, and they aren’t giving that activity the respect it requires for them to be a contributing member of a team.

They certainly don’t expect the patch content to be roughly the size of an expansion between expansions.

You end up playing through 8 games’ worth of required content to be ready for endwalker, and that’s not counting the optional content you dip your toes into along the way.

[Y2K21]

Wasnt a fan of the video to be honest. It just mostly "Heres how FF14 good, how WoW bad" video spaced out for 30 minutes rather than a versus topic. It feels like the same Zepla videos with Asmongold reactions. Not what I was expecting tbh -- but its not Bellular content.

[Infindox]

The problem that I have with Asmondgold is that I know his actual self, he's pretty chill and respectful. If he decides to play this game without it on, great! But his toxic persona has created just a toxic fan base, and I'm afraid that if he keeps the persona on we will end up with a lot of that base in the game. This game has its fair share of shite people, of course, but I don't want like an influx of it.

[Olinara]

As a WoW refugee like Zepla, I could relate to what both of them were saying and agreed with most of it.

[Puremallace]

Wasnt a fan of the video to be honest. It just mostly "Heres how FF14 good, how WoW bad" video spaced out for 30 minutes rather than a versus topic. It feels like the same Zepla videos with Asmongold reactions. Not what I was expecting tbh -- but its not Bellular content.

Not really because they are honestly pointing out simple things WoW needs to get back to where it was and how special the MMO was to them. She even admits to playing Shadowlands which she had to do offstream BTW because she took a TONNNNNN of crap from her community for even saying she was thinking about it.