Mentor Roulette should have longer lockout time

[MrMagic]

Again people find handicaps and challenges fun too.. that's why we have people beating Dark Souls with a DDR pad or a Gutar Hero controller lol..

You are right. That's why I see a lot of that in PARTY FINDER. The solution is right there. It seems to me that we want to punish the mentor for the new player who wants to be carried. Let's be honest. They haven't read or watched a guide and have most likely accidentally queued, not knowing what they're in for. Plus here's hoping there is no language barrier.

I'd wait for them to view the guide but now that's less time we have for the duty. At least then they could look at the guide in their preferred language. Why is a mentor expected to teach an entire multiphase fight at Extreme difficulty? Would a Mentor be expected to go through a players full opener rotation if asked or face punishment?

Let's drop all the Mentors that are only mostly helpful to new players. Mostly isn't good enough I guess as perfection is required. It's a great idea to cull the Mentors. Just have a bunch of players queue for Thordan Ex.

[Baxcel]

You are right. That's why I see a lot of that in PARTY FINDER. The solution is right there. It seems to me that we want to punish the mentor for the new player who wants to be carried. Let's be honest. They haven't read or watched a guide and have most likely accidentally queued, not knowing what they're in for. Plus here's hoping there is no language barrier.

I'd wait for them to view the guide but now that's less time we have for the duty. At least then they could look at the guide in their preferred language. Why is a mentor expected to teach an entire multiphase fight at Extreme difficulty? Would a Mentor be expected to go through a players full opener rotation if asked or face punishment?

Let's drop all the Mentors that are only mostly helpful to new players. Mostly isn't good enough I guess as perfection is required. It's a great idea to cull the Mentors. Just have a bunch of players queue for Thordan Ex.

I personally as a new player had cleared Garuda an Titan in duty finder and was trying to clear ifirit before anyone even told me about Party Finder.. so it's not like it's honestly that hard and secondly it's where my enjoyment of clearing fights synced came from and why I do savage raids now.. hoping to advance to ultimates some day too!

But yes, the game gives you tools for explaining stuff to other languages is it perfect no but it's still a tool to use.. the best way I've taught spouts myself is to pull the boss, see how it gose and ask if anyone had questions or explain what went wrong after each try.. its really not hard and if your not rude most spouts will listen an learn from you.

As for would a mentor be required to teach a rotation? Absolutely! It should be your honor to show the spouts the proper way to play a class if they ask for it.. should you be punished for not doing it? No.. but if you want explain how your own class works.. you probably shouldn't have that crown on with the class your playing lol

Lastly sure we can drop all the mentors who don't wanna do an Ex fight.. thats what they want too.. if they're only in it for the mount they were never going to teach new players to being with and there's no changing that..

There's a lovely post along side this one somewhere mentioning removing the mount and exs from mentor and re-adding them into a mentor Ex only roulette.. which I agree would work nicely.

We could even add a savage mentor roulette and 2 more crowns.. 1 glowing with light for doing mentor Ex and 1 with fire for savage mentor lol then MPK can make a new tag saying "triple mentor btw" (this is a joke fyi)

[Voidedge_Ragna]

Yesterday i had a Warrior in Levi Ex, this warrior would not read chat, he popped every single cooldown 10 sec before pull (only before the fight never used anything during the fight) ... including Holmgang and his tank stance, so every other pull he put it on and every other pull he put it off. He attacked only he head, did not care about bubbles or adds. Fell during the first ship tilt -every time- and kept insta pulling every time we were reset even though we told him not to and stuff like this is not as uncommon as you would hope.

What can a Mentor do here? Weep quietly as you know there is no chance in hell you can win busting a full lockout? Leave? If players had at least basic job knowledge ... a lot more mentors would at least attempt to do ex trials.

[Moggwa]

From what I am reading here they should honestly remove mentor flair and mount rewards since almost none of ya'll should be mentors

[van_arn]

From what I am reading here they should honestly remove mentor flair and mount rewards since almost none of ya'll should be mentors

They certainly can do exactly that, but if they did it would hurt them (and sprouts) a lot worse than it would hurt us.

Thankfully for the sprouts, your assessment doesn’t carry the necessary weight to cause this harm.

[Moggwa]

ofc it doesn't carry weight i am a nobody I just love that so many mentors on here are just like : "waaah I don't wanna teach people in DF because it COULD take a lot of time waaa gib me mount for spamming dungeon or Hests waaah".

I myself am not a mentor because I leave duties the second it is done and I don't really care for the mentor role, since ya don't need it to help peeps. But seeing the takes people on the forum have is to funny to not respond at times

[Nanchi]

From what I am reading here they should honestly remove mentor flair and mount rewards since almost none of ya'll should be mentors

I would absolutely love for them to remove the rewards from the mentor roulette. That way no mentor has to ever do this roulette ever again and can instead focus on helping parties who are willing to learn in party finder, aka what most mentors do nowadays anyway.

[Moggwa]

I would absolutely love for them to remove the rewards from the mentor roulette. That way no mentor has to ever do this roulette ever again and can instead focus on helping parties who are willing to learn in party finder, aka what most mentors do nowadays anyway.

now that's a good take right here

[Bellsong]

Maybe if the mentor system didn't suck and was actually split up to allow people to teach the content they're actually knowledgeable in, you'd have more mentors willing to actually teach. Always sounds unreasonable to me that people expect mentors who've likely never fought the bosses synched to suddenly be able to teach them while synched, and it's extra unreasonable that a system was designed to put people into that situation in the first place.

The fault lies with SE's design, players wanting to just get a fancy mount are simply a by product of SE lazily putting a carrot on a stick for people rather than creating a thoughtful system intended to help new players.

[Caurcas]

Again people find handicaps and challenges fun too.. that's why we have people beating Dark Souls with a DDR pad or a Gutar Hero controller lol..

But to each their own.. my main point in this entire thread is that mentors should be held responsible for the trails and challenges they recieve when using mentor roulette and if they aren't or won't then they honestly need to not use that roulette or retire their crowns.

I don't give a crap about the reward, nor do I feel a duty to drag paint eaters through content years old and utterly irrelevant that they can easily do in five minutes unsynched. I do mentor roulette when I am bored, and if I get an ex nine times out of ten I'll bounce and give the other six poor sods a free way out.