Mentor Roulette should have longer lockout time

[Krotoan]

Well then they would do well to heed my mentor advice and use PF for EX trials, and then use the free out I gave them to do so.

Solid advice for where we are with how people treat the mentor queue. Granted.
But again.. the point of this whole thread being that people using mentor queue as just another roulette they can cherrypick is the problem and PF being a solution to a symptom.
The point of a "punishment" for dropping out being it would discourage that kind of people from queuing in the first place and leave only the people willing to put the full investment into whatever they got.

Also it could be said some effort could be made towards emphasizing how much of a difficulty curve an EX (at synch) is and an acknowledgement that PF exists so that people who are not of the sort to prep, could use other avenues. It is not entirely the people "abusing" the mentor roulettes fault but they aren't using the system as intended, just within functionality.

[van_arn]

It’s no small comfort no matter what people say someone “should” do on the forums, they’re powerless to stop anyone from dropping a duty.

[Mosha]

Why are we including duties that discourage the majority of mentors from using it, especially when the accepted way to handle EX fights is through PF.
I would love to use mentor rolo but the fear of a tank with a shire axe in Tsukuyomi EX is real, its not just hard to drag 7 sprouts through EX content is nigh impossible.
let me join content where I can be useful, where I know it's not an impossible situation to win.

[MrMagic]

The point of a "punishment" for dropping out being it would discourage that kind of people from queuing in the first place and leave only the people willing to put the full investment into whatever they got.

So instead of actually having mentors able to join and teach a hard mode dungeon, your solution is to leave it to sprouts who could have done with a mentor, but your expectations are so high they get nothing instead. There's other content that needs mentoring other than the handful of Ex trials you know.

[Krotoan]

So instead of actually having mentors able to join and teach a hard mode dungeon, your solution is to leave it to sprouts who could have done with a mentor, but your expectations are so high they get nothing instead. There's other content that needs mentoring other than the handful of Ex trials you know.

No my solution is to have people who actually want to only help and don't care about time expediency or rewards in the mentor roulettes. Whether it would actually work has yet to be seen because we have a population going into that queue who regularly hamstrings any attempts at it. There IS more things that need mentoring and I would suggest possibly splitting the queue would be fine, but nobody here is suggesting that, they just want to remove it so they can get their mentor run done which is a little telling about their motivations and objectives.

There is a population willing to put in time for new players, but the mentor population is not representative of them because it's full of people who unlocked it for the resources and the prizes.

[Mosha]

No my solution is to have people who actually want to only help and don't care about time expediency or rewards in the mentor roulettes. Whether it would actually work has yet to be seen because we have a population going into that queue who regularly hamstrings any attempts at it. There IS more things that need mentoring and I would suggest possibly splitting the queue would be fine, but nobody here is suggesting that, they just want to remove it so they can get their mentor run done which is a little telling about their motivations and objectives.

There is a population willing to put in time for new players, but the mentor population is not representative of them because it's full of people who unlocked it for the resources and the prizes.

You are not listening.

let's try framing this a different way.

How many parties clear an ex fight from their first lockout through PF with the following:
- players with experience
- players who are properly gear for the encounter
- who speak the same language
- who are willing to make the effort

I'm willing to bet it's still pretty low outside of statics.

With an EX from a mentor rolo you are lucky if maybe a few players have some of these. you can assess the situation and see the odds are so low it isn't worth your time. sadly that prevents me from going into situations I know I can help players because I know I can end up with an impossible situation.
I don't care about the mount or the time it takes I just don't want to waste a 1h 30mins in a futile situation.

[MrMagic]

There IS more things that need mentoring and I would suggest possibly splitting the queue would be fine, but nobody here is suggesting that.

Yes they are, on this thread and in other threads. Ex Trials should be on their own roulette.

[Krotoan]

You are not listening.

I am actually hearing a lot of things people aren't saying but they definitely want to.

let's try framing this a different way.

How many parties clear an ex fight from their first lockout through PF with the following:
- players with experience
- players who are properly gear for the encounter
- who speak the same language
- who are willing to make the effort

I'm willing to bet it's still pretty low outside of statics.

Yahuh. so you're already have the attitude that clearing is the most important thing and not teaching. While I can understand that from a progression point of view, not clearing an instance isn't the worst thing in the world. You don't like the chances? Don't queue.

With an EX from a mentor rolo you are lucky if maybe a few players have some of these. you can assess the situation and see the odds are so low it isn't worth your time. sadly that prevents me from going into situations I know I can help players because I know I can end up with an impossible situation.
I don't care about the mount or the time it takes I just don't want to waste a 1h 30mins in a futile situation.

Then don't queue. I'm beginning to think you aren't listening either. Don't.. queue... if you don't want to do it or feel it's "a futile situation".

Yes they are, on this thread and in other threads. Ex Trials should be on their own roulette.

Yeah.. apart from the mentor program. It should be part of the reqs for the "prize"

[Reinha]

Having a separate roulette for extremes and just removing them from the mentor roulette have the same outcome. No one will clear them, no one will get the rewards and all you're doing is telling unprepared players what provoke is and that they won't clear it unless they stop ignoring mechanics. Because that's how it usually goes in the DF.

There are a few exceptions among ARR primals but you can already choose 5 and queue for them just to teach people until the timer runs out. Roulettes are for rewards, you get the reward when you clear and if you aren't going to clear then what is the roulette for?

[BigHoffie]

Then don't queue. I'm beginning to think you aren't listening either. Don't.. queue... if you don't want to do it or feel it's "a futile situation".

What an absolute load of crap. Who are you even to tell other people what they can and can't do in this game? Mentor's should stick it out if they queue roulette, but the rules are such that they can leave with a penalty if they choose. Just like people should use PF to do extreme trials, but the rules are such that they can queue if they choose. Your reasons to use mentor roulette are not everyone's reasons, your reason's to play this game are not everyone's reasons, and your insistence on trying to dictate what others should do with their time and leisure is frankly embarrassing.