Constructive: Why your MMO sucks...and why that's okay

[Sotaris]

I don't get that. I think FFXIV is great. The devs are great too. And if FFXIV players mostly say good things about the game instead of bad, maybe it's because the game is actually good with few negatives? No, not all MMOs suck, maybe Josh just hasn't played FFXIV.

I disagree, the game isn't great but it's not bad. It's good on some things and bad on others.
If you only hear good things about the game, I think it more of a reason to take a step back and look for some reviews that brings up the bad cause if it's all good, it most likely a white knight type of person you're talking with.

FF14 is a good game but it has it flaws. It's not a perfect game.
But the flaws is few enough to give me a reason to keep subbing.

[Starshower]

I disagree, the game isn't great but it's not bad. It's good on some things and bad on others.
If you only hear good things about the game, I think it more of a reason to take a step back and look for some reviews that brings up the bad cause if it's all good, it most likely a white knight type of person you're talking with.

FF14 is a good game but it has it flaws. It's not a perfect game.
But the flaws is few enough to give me a reason to keep subbing.

I don't need to watch a review on the bad sides of the game. I play it every day, and I don't see anything bad. Can you list some stuff that you think is really bad? It probably won't be as bad as the bad stuff people keep saying about wow, for example.


I'm tired of people incessantly saying how ffxiv is somehow bad. I don't care if I look like a white knight, we have many many more people on these forums saying how ffxiv is actually bad than people praising it, at least in those threads talking about wow and other mmos.

[Axxion]

I don't need to watch a review on the bad sides of the game. I play it every day, and I don't see anything bad. Can you list some stuff that you think is really bad? It probably won't be as bad as the bad stuff people keep saying about wow, for example.


I'm tired of people incessantly saying how ffxiv is somehow bad. I don't care if I look like a white knight, we have many many more people on these forums saying how ffxiv is actually bad than people praising it, at least in those threads talking about wow and other mmos.

is this an everybody question or just one?

[SwordswornFox]

I don't need to watch a review on the bad sides of the game. I play it every day, and I don't see anything bad. Can you list some stuff that you think is really bad? It probably won't be as bad as the bad stuff people keep saying about wow, for example.


I'm tired of people incessantly saying how ffxiv is somehow bad. I don't care if I look like a white knight, we have many many more people on these forums saying how ffxiv is actually bad than people praising it, at least in those threads talking about wow and other mmos.

Well since the video isn't a review and is actually a theory as to why that kind of discussion happens when people ask what mmo they should play or if they should pick up a specific MMO, you're okay there.

[Axxion]

I don't need to watch a review on the bad sides of the game. I play it every day, and I don't see anything bad. Can you list some stuff that you think is really bad? It probably won't be as bad as the bad stuff people keep saying about wow, for example.


I'm tired of people incessantly saying how ffxiv is somehow bad. I don't care if I look like a white knight, we have many many more people on these forums saying how ffxiv is actually bad than people praising it, at least in those threads talking about wow and other mmos.

Okay got a few minutes to spare. FFXIV is good but however it has it flaws. Take for instance the housing. If you go to the promotion site it mentions housing, the thing is though housing in here is very bad. It not tied your account, which means that you can( if you have the funds) to buy the whole ward if you wanted too. Don't forget the timer as well. If you do not be active and go into your house you will loose it. But then Mr.P mentions if you don't have anything to do just unsubscribe until the next patch. People will have to be active just to keep there house. Apartments are fine but small did not receive any updates yet. You can unsubscribe and still maintain your apartment why is that the case?

Glamour & storage -this game offers a plethora of armor pieces but very limited storage. Yes you can place in the glamour dresser & chocobo saddle ,however that will fill up even with. Solution buy more retainers. The armoire over the course of the game has not been updated yet. We can buy thing off the mogstation but however you have to store them in the normal storage and not the armoire. Crafting materials is also stored in the normal storage, they could have made a material storage for it.

Midcore content-FF is missing this portion. they have the casual content and they have savage/ultimate content but no mid. As per interview https://mogtalk.org/2021/05/07/inter...naoki-yoshida/ they prefer large scale compared to small scale. Only speaking for myself this would keep me heavy invested in the game alot more.

Job changes-Alot of people feel( what i see on the forums) are not happy with the changes. Take for instance the healer changes as per https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/419013. When you have a moment take a look at it. Bard is another, they came out an mentioned that they do not know how bard should work. Compared to the other versions.


Race and customization some races in this game are lacking and outdated . Take for instance Hrothgar & Viera they are not complete. They cannot wear/use the new hair styles. They cannot where helms. And if im not mistaken the only way to change is by using a fantasia

Hall of novice, it great to teach new players the roles of the game but it does not go into the full details of the class in said role. Like the cards for ast.

This is just some that i can think of. If I'm wrong in something please correct me

Quick edit to add the race.

[Kes13a]

Okay got a few minutes to spare. FFXIV is good but however it has it flaws.

*snip*

while I do not outright disagree...

Housing: I thought they fixed the issue where one person could buy up a ward. as in, I think that was the case at one point but is no longer so. The whole point of reclaiming the property and someone else getting is because they are in demand. why have a bunch of "derelict" unused housing if people PLAYING actually want them? They are a limited resource, it sucks but it makes sense.

Glamour and storage: yeah, needs work, and about double the glamour plates, but could be far worse. A lot of issues come down to inventory management. at least this isnt some of teh other mmo's where you get endless amount of trash items drops for vendor sales because "junk loot is *fun*" If SE did that, then inventory would be a nightmare

Midcore: hard call on that one. I didnt find any lack of it and was always busy. I think thats a personal 'how you play' thing. I was enjoying the journey too much to notice

Job Changes: falls back again on how you play. I arrived late on the healer changes, since I started mid Stormblood. I thought and have always thought healers work fine for the game. The main complaining at the time was that people were complaining about having to heal now instead of just the fast queue times so they could go in and lead the dps stats. those people, and there were a very vocal number of them, complained, especially about scholar, because they now had to heal instead of only doing dps. It was pointed out they could go in as a Summoner, but they didnt want to wait that long. so.. playstyle related in many cases

Hall of Novice: does it need to deep dive in? it to teach people the basics. by 15 you are entering into dungeons with other players usually, and the idea is you might talk to them. Astrologer is a bit more complex than what Novice covers, could there be a mid-range Novice type thing, sure, that would be helpful I imagine. You know, something you can sign up for in Heavensward or StormBlood for more advanced usages.

Those are my thoughts anyway, I prefer the style here, being actual tank, healer dps roles instead of the latest "you can be everything" mentality that permeate mmos currently. cookie cutters are nice, but if you have 15 classes and the only difference is looks and weapon type, how much effort was really put into them?

anyway, have a great day ^^

[Axxion]

while I do not outright disagree...

Housing: I thought they fixed the issue where one person could buy up a ward. as in, I think that was the case at one point but is no longer so. The whole point of reclaiming the property and someone else getting is because they are in demand. why have a bunch of "derelict" unused housing if people PLAYING actually want them? They are a limited resource, it sucks but it makes sense.

Glamour and storage: yeah, needs work, and about double the glamour plates, but could be far worse. A lot of issues come down to inventory management. at least this isnt some of teh other mmo's where you get endless amount of trash items drops for vendor sales because "junk loot is *fun*" If SE did that, then inventory would be a nightmare

Midcore: hard call on that one. I didnt find any lack of it and was always busy. I think thats a personal 'how you play' thing. I was enjoying the journey too much to notice

Job Changes: falls back again on how you play. I arrived late on the healer changes, since I started mid Stormblood. I thought and have always thought healers work fine for the game. The main complaining at the time was that people were complaining about having to heal now instead of just the fast queue times so they could go in and lead the dps stats. those people, and there were a very vocal number of them, complained, especially about scholar, because they now had to heal instead of only doing dps. It was pointed out they could go in as a Summoner, but they didnt want to wait that long. so.. playstyle related in many cases

Hall of Novice: does it need to deep dive in? it to teach people the basics. by 15 you are entering into dungeons with other players usually, and the idea is you might talk to them. Astrologer is a bit more complex than what Novice covers, could there be a mid-range Novice type thing, sure, that would be helpful I imagine. You know, something you can sign up for in Heavensward or StormBlood for more advanced usages.

Those are my thoughts anyway, I prefer the style here, being actual tank, healer dps roles instead of the latest "you can be everything" mentality that permeate mmos currently. cookie cutters are nice, but if you have 15 classes and the only difference is looks and weapon type, how much effort was really put into them?

anyway, have a great day ^^

And respect that, this is just my thoughts. you have a good day as well.

For me the job changes is mixed . I played since arr and hw. the changes then where interesting until now. Like for instance, take the bard in hw. That was bow mage a and that wasn't taken to well. The reason why i feel like they need to go into a deep dive just a bit more, just to be bit more informative you know.

[ForteNightshade]

Job Changes: falls back again on how you play. I arrived late on the healer changes, since I started mid Stormblood. I thought and have always thought healers work fine for the game. The main complaining at the time was that people were complaining about having to heal now instead of just the fast queue times so they could go in and lead the dps stats. those people, and there were a very vocal number of them, complained, especially about scholar, because they now had to heal instead of only doing dps. It was pointed out they could go in as a Summoner, but they didnt want to wait that long. so.. playstyle related in many cases

This... isn't true at all. Healers still barely need to heal in Shadowbringers, which has been the main complaint throughout the entire expansion. In fact, Shadowbringers is arguably the easiest iteration of healers unless you're micromanaging as little GCD casts as possible. Even at the highest difficulty level, you'll spend over 50% of your casts DPSing.