Constructive: Why your MMO sucks...and why that's okay

[KizuyaKatogami]

To add to this overall topic. My main problem with ff14 isn’t even so much the game really, as it is the community. This community is quite possibly the only ive seen that takes constructive criticism and critiques for the game as some personal attack, and is also just overall highly sensitive. Whether it comes to trying to teach people how to play their job, learn mechanics or what have you. This community a lot of the time just seems to have paper thin skin. Try and give constructive feedback and they fight back and say well i don’t believe it, it’s an amazing game, you must be a troll etc. I think a main reason this game is so successful currently is that there just aren’t any good mmo’s available right now and this is the best option out there. I’m not saying this game is bad at all. It has its high points and low points, but i do think in the end of things don’t change the community will end up being it’s downfall. Criticism is what helps the devs know what they need to fix about their game, and if all they’re hearing is the loud outcries of “it’s perfect it’s amazing” and the people giving actual accurate critiques are being silenced and quieted down, it’s only going to be detrimental in the end.

[Eric_Riot]

"Not only that but the whole if you’re away for one month, you lose your house thing."

I guess this is debatable.. there are going to be people that like it and those that do not. Who is correct? Personally, I like it. I think if you cared about your house enough you should have to "refresh it". But that might be an old mindset.. my UO tower was the same. I had to log in and open the front door to refresh it which I did, for 10 years.

[KizuyaKatogami]

"Not only that but the whole if you’re away for one month, you lose your house thing."

I guess this is debatable.. there are going to be people that like it and those that do not. Who is correct? Personally, I like it. I think if you cared about your house enough you should have to "refresh it". But that might be an old mindset.. my UO tower was the same. I had to log in and open the front door to refresh it which I did, for 10 years.

My problem with it is it literally contradicts Yoshi P’s message of “we don’t want you to feel tied to the game.” They literally took away our veteran rewards for that reason. It’s a hypocritical statement because he doesn’t want people to be tied to the game yet has a system that keeps people...tied to the game. Why should i have to refresh something i took the time and money to get? It’s literal gatekeeping.

[Eric_Riot]

"Whether it comes to trying to teach people how to play their job, learn mechanics or what have you. This community a lot of the time just seems to have paper thin skin."

Agreed, but when it comes to giving advice it's better to lead them to a "discord" or website that can help. Unfortunately, we currently live in the age of disinformation and people believe all sorts of crazy stuff. So they are more inclined to only believe the "research" they do. So I guess it depends on how you chose your words to "Help" them. What I find that works best is to send them to "The balance" for example. A place where they can do their own research with a large group of people that can help.

If you are in a 4 man instance and try to give advice I can see how they could feel that they are being isolated and "Picked on". It's a tough situation to help people these days, so if you want to make the community better you have to put in more effort on the words you chose. The other option is to not say anything at all. The choice is yours. *shrugs*

[Eric_Riot]

My problem with it is it literally contradicts Yoshi P’s message of “we don’t want you to feel tied to the game.” They literally took away our veteran rewards for that reason. It’s a hypocritical statement because he doesn’t want people to be tied to the game yet has a system that keeps people...tied to the game. Why should i have to refresh something i took the time and money to get? It’s literal gatekeeping.

And that's your opinion, and you have the absolute right to feel that way. If you could set your account to "Free to play" and then were forced to refresh your house would you still feel this way? It is the fact that you have to refresh your house that irks you? Or that you have to pay to refresh your house?

I feel that the housing situation accessibility-wise is bad and I feel lucky to have the house, and I also feel that others should have access to the housing. And the situation that we are forced to play in, that a demolition timer is absolutely needed.

[KizuyaKatogami]

And that's your opinion, and you have the absolute right to feel that way. If you could set your account to "Free to play" and then were forced to refresh your house would you still feel this way? It is the fact that you have to refresh your house that irks you? Or that you have to pay to refresh your house?

I feel that the housing situation accessibility-wise is bad and I feel lucky to have the house, and I also feel that others should have access to the housing. And the situation that we are forced to play in, that a demolition timer is absolutely needed.

Well...it’s not an opinion that it contradicts his message though. It’s a fact lol. It’s literally going against the very thing he’s saying. I suppose it’s a bit of both in regards to your question. At this time, i have nothing to do in game. I’ve done most of the content in the game and all of the content i’m interested in so i’m simply waiting for 6.0. However, i can’t unsub because of my house. I don’t want to lose something i worked so hard for/on so naturally i want to keep it. This is the very thing yoshi says he supposedly doesn’t want yet he still keeps the system as it is and hasn’t addressed it for SIX YEARS. If the demolition timer was at least extended it wouldn’t feel as bad but it’s still just an absolute horrid system that needs to be addressed but SE keeps ignoring it.

[Eric_Riot]

Another question, what is the timer now 45 days? How long should the timer be for it to feel correct to you?

[linayar]

Well...it’s not an opinion that it contradicts his message though. It’s a fact lol.

Actually, it's not.

Yoshi p preaches that he doesn’t want...

Yoshi P’s message of “we don’t want...

The key point there is what they want. Due to the way they design the housing system, there is a limited availability. So regardless of what they want, they need a way to increase the availability, including making sure people just don't buy a house then stop playing the game, leaving the house unavailable to others but also unused by the owner.

Also, wanting people not to be tied to the game doesn't mean they can't reward people for playing, like having seasonal events rewards that would have to be purchased from the online store if you miss it while on a break from the game. Also, certain contents are simply easier to do when they're newly released.

The key is for you to decide for yourself whether the game has anything that is worth subscribing for. The reason why they stopped the veteran rewards is because it will take a long time if they continued having it. Eventually, new players might be looking at having to subscribe for 10+ years to get the reward they want.

So if you think housing is worth subscribing for, then that is your decision to make. Otherwise, they designed and released contents in mostly predictable means and you get to decide all of the reasons that you want to subscribe for and all of the reasons that you don't want to subscribe for any given month, whether it be a new raid tier, a seasonal event, or housing.

What you won't need to do is continue to subscribe just to reach a number of subscription days that will continue to increase to get some rewards in the future without knowing whether you'll still want to play the game before getting that reward.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Actually, it's not.



The key point there is what they want. Due to the way they design the housing system, there is a limited availability. So regardless of what they want, they need a way to increase the availability, including making sure people just don't buy a house then stop playing the game, leaving the house unavailable to others but also unused by the owner..

Or yknow, they could just address the system entirely. I get you want to keep defending them on this topic, but there’s no reason to. It’s been 6 years and they haven’t addressed it once. That’s incredibly lazy and poor dev management. It’s funny though, they didn’t care much about availability back when people were owning entire wards hm?(and still do). Why don’t they do something about that?It is a contradiction of his message. Just because we have the choice to sub or unsub doesn’t change that. His entire point is he doesn’t want people to *feel* tied to the game. Housing does exactly that. The housing system sucks. End of story.

[LaylaTsarra]

O. His entire point is he doesn’t want people to *feel* tied to the game. Housing does exactly that. The housing system sucks. End of story.

Housing has limited availability and it's probably going to get worse before it gets better with the apparent large influx of WOW players coming to 14. The demolition was imposed to be sure that people who stopped playing or who decide to play once in awhile were not given priority over those who actually play the game. Unless they can provide housing for everyone this is something that is needed and will most likely continue to be a thing

Relative to FC housing abuse yes that loophole needs to be fixed because although one can no longer buy more then one private per account per server they certainly haven't stopped people from owning more than one FC. What they need to do is to decouple the reason why people buy more than one and that is mainly because of gardening and airship/subs. Those need to be moved to different venues to stop that motivation.

I think there is more coming to housing with Ishgard than just additional wards in 6.1 although I may be wrong. Will it provide housing for everyone probably not but lets hope it certainly does a much better job.