Constructive: Why your MMO sucks...and why that's okay

[Eric_Riot]

I'm thinking about housing flaws (besides accessibility) Besides the item limit on all houses indoors and out.. I can't think of much.

http://www.xivliving.com/

I've had houses in UO, Lotro, Swtor, Skyrim, and the lame GW2 instance. For me, FFXIV is by far superior than those guys. It may be the "Graphic" that makes it superior then UO and the earlier games, but I've had SO much fun decorating our FC Large.

[KizuyaKatogami]

"Not only that but the whole if you’re away for one month, you lose your house thing."

I guess this is debatable.. there are going to be people that like it and those that do not. Who is correct? Personally, I like it. I think if you cared about your house enough you should have to "refresh it". But that might be an old mindset.. my UO tower was the same. I had to log in and open the front door to refresh it which I did, for 10 years.

My problem with it is it literally contradicts Yoshi P’s message of “we don’t want you to feel tied to the game.” They literally took away our veteran rewards for that reason. It’s a hypocritical statement because he doesn’t want people to be tied to the game yet has a system that keeps people...tied to the game. Why should i have to refresh something i took the time and money to get? It’s literal gatekeeping.

[Eric_Riot]

My problem with it is it literally contradicts Yoshi P’s message of “we don’t want you to feel tied to the game.” They literally took away our veteran rewards for that reason. It’s a hypocritical statement because he doesn’t want people to be tied to the game yet has a system that keeps people...tied to the game. Why should i have to refresh something i took the time and money to get? It’s literal gatekeeping.

And that's your opinion, and you have the absolute right to feel that way. If you could set your account to "Free to play" and then were forced to refresh your house would you still feel this way? It is the fact that you have to refresh your house that irks you? Or that you have to pay to refresh your house?

I feel that the housing situation accessibility-wise is bad and I feel lucky to have the house, and I also feel that others should have access to the housing. And the situation that we are forced to play in, that a demolition timer is absolutely needed.

[KizuyaKatogami]

And that's your opinion, and you have the absolute right to feel that way. If you could set your account to "Free to play" and then were forced to refresh your house would you still feel this way? It is the fact that you have to refresh your house that irks you? Or that you have to pay to refresh your house?

I feel that the housing situation accessibility-wise is bad and I feel lucky to have the house, and I also feel that others should have access to the housing. And the situation that we are forced to play in, that a demolition timer is absolutely needed.

Well...it’s not an opinion that it contradicts his message though. It’s a fact lol. It’s literally going against the very thing he’s saying. I suppose it’s a bit of both in regards to your question. At this time, i have nothing to do in game. I’ve done most of the content in the game and all of the content i’m interested in so i’m simply waiting for 6.0. However, i can’t unsub because of my house. I don’t want to lose something i worked so hard for/on so naturally i want to keep it. This is the very thing yoshi says he supposedly doesn’t want yet he still keeps the system as it is and hasn’t addressed it for SIX YEARS. If the demolition timer was at least extended it wouldn’t feel as bad but it’s still just an absolute horrid system that needs to be addressed but SE keeps ignoring it.

[linayar]

Well...it’s not an opinion that it contradicts his message though. It’s a fact lol.

Actually, it's not.

Yoshi p preaches that he doesn’t want...

Yoshi P’s message of “we don’t want...

The key point there is what they want. Due to the way they design the housing system, there is a limited availability. So regardless of what they want, they need a way to increase the availability, including making sure people just don't buy a house then stop playing the game, leaving the house unavailable to others but also unused by the owner.

Also, wanting people not to be tied to the game doesn't mean they can't reward people for playing, like having seasonal events rewards that would have to be purchased from the online store if you miss it while on a break from the game. Also, certain contents are simply easier to do when they're newly released.

The key is for you to decide for yourself whether the game has anything that is worth subscribing for. The reason why they stopped the veteran rewards is because it will take a long time if they continued having it. Eventually, new players might be looking at having to subscribe for 10+ years to get the reward they want.

So if you think housing is worth subscribing for, then that is your decision to make. Otherwise, they designed and released contents in mostly predictable means and you get to decide all of the reasons that you want to subscribe for and all of the reasons that you don't want to subscribe for any given month, whether it be a new raid tier, a seasonal event, or housing.

What you won't need to do is continue to subscribe just to reach a number of subscription days that will continue to increase to get some rewards in the future without knowing whether you'll still want to play the game before getting that reward.

[Eric_Riot]

Another question, what is the timer now 45 days? How long should the timer be for it to feel correct to you?

[KizuyaKatogami]

Actually, it's not.



The key point there is what they want. Due to the way they design the housing system, there is a limited availability. So regardless of what they want, they need a way to increase the availability, including making sure people just don't buy a house then stop playing the game, leaving the house unavailable to others but also unused by the owner..

Or yknow, they could just address the system entirely. I get you want to keep defending them on this topic, but there’s no reason to. It’s been 6 years and they haven’t addressed it once. That’s incredibly lazy and poor dev management. It’s funny though, they didn’t care much about availability back when people were owning entire wards hm?(and still do). Why don’t they do something about that?It is a contradiction of his message. Just because we have the choice to sub or unsub doesn’t change that. His entire point is he doesn’t want people to *feel* tied to the game. Housing does exactly that. The housing system sucks. End of story.

[LaylaTsarra]

O. His entire point is he doesn’t want people to *feel* tied to the game. Housing does exactly that. The housing system sucks. End of story.

Housing has limited availability and it's probably going to get worse before it gets better with the apparent large influx of WOW players coming to 14. The demolition was imposed to be sure that people who stopped playing or who decide to play once in awhile were not given priority over those who actually play the game. Unless they can provide housing for everyone this is something that is needed and will most likely continue to be a thing

Relative to FC housing abuse yes that loophole needs to be fixed because although one can no longer buy more then one private per account per server they certainly haven't stopped people from owning more than one FC. What they need to do is to decouple the reason why people buy more than one and that is mainly because of gardening and airship/subs. Those need to be moved to different venues to stop that motivation.

I think there is more coming to housing with Ishgard than just additional wards in 6.1 although I may be wrong. Will it provide housing for everyone probably not but lets hope it certainly does a much better job.

[linayar]

Or yknow, they could just address the system entirely. I get you want to keep defending them on this topic, but there’s no reason to. It’s been 6 years and they haven’t addressed it once. That’s incredibly lazy and poor dev management. It’s funny though, they didn’t care much about availability back when people were owning entire wards hm?(and still do). Why don’t they do something about that?It is a contradiction of his message. Just because we have the choice to sub or unsub doesn’t change that. His entire point is he doesn’t want people to *feel* tied to the game. Housing does exactly that. The housing system sucks. End of story.

They could and should address the housing system. I'm not disagreeing on this point, but that still doesn't make Yoshida a hypocrite, especially since it only applies to people who both have a house and also regularly run out of things to do in the game. The majority of the players are thus not affected.

And why are you feeling tied to a housing in a game that you barely play (since apparently logging in once every 45 days is too much)? If you're the type of player who regularly runs out of things to do in FFXIV, and thus regularly wants to unsubscribe for more than 45 days, then why are you feeling to tied to a housing system in such a game? Get both an apartment and an FC room and enjoy raid logging or whatever it is you want to do for a month or so every major patch and then feel free to unsubscribe.

[KizuyaKatogami]

And why are you feeling tied to a housing in a game that you barely play (since apparently logging in once every 45 days is too much)? If you're the type of player who regularly runs out of things to do in FFXIV, and thus regularly wants to unsubscribe for more than 45 days, then why are you feeling to tied to a housing system in such a game? Get both an apartment and an FC room and enjoy raid logging or whatever it is you want to do for a month or so every major patch and then feel free to unsubscribe.

I barely play right now because i have no content to do since we are in a content lull until next expansion. most of the new events coming out are reruns that i’ve already done so i don’t need to do them. I feel tied to a house because i spent both money and time to get it. I deserve to have it. Instead i have to sub every 45 days just to keep a house which is again, what yoshi p didn’t want to happen so yes he’s a hypocrite. If he had at least addressed it, then it wouldn’t be as bad but they’ve been completely silent on it like many other issues. I’m not in an fc nor am i interested in the limited space of an apartment.