Constructive: Why your MMO sucks...and why that's okay

[Axxion]

I don't need to watch a review on the bad sides of the game. I play it every day, and I don't see anything bad. Can you list some stuff that you think is really bad? It probably won't be as bad as the bad stuff people keep saying about wow, for example.


I'm tired of people incessantly saying how ffxiv is somehow bad. I don't care if I look like a white knight, we have many many more people on these forums saying how ffxiv is actually bad than people praising it, at least in those threads talking about wow and other mmos.

Okay got a few minutes to spare. FFXIV is good but however it has it flaws. Take for instance the housing. If you go to the promotion site it mentions housing, the thing is though housing in here is very bad. It not tied your account, which means that you can( if you have the funds) to buy the whole ward if you wanted too. Don't forget the timer as well. If you do not be active and go into your house you will loose it. But then Mr.P mentions if you don't have anything to do just unsubscribe until the next patch. People will have to be active just to keep there house. Apartments are fine but small did not receive any updates yet. You can unsubscribe and still maintain your apartment why is that the case?

Glamour & storage -this game offers a plethora of armor pieces but very limited storage. Yes you can place in the glamour dresser & chocobo saddle ,however that will fill up even with. Solution buy more retainers. The armoire over the course of the game has not been updated yet. We can buy thing off the mogstation but however you have to store them in the normal storage and not the armoire. Crafting materials is also stored in the normal storage, they could have made a material storage for it.

Midcore content-FF is missing this portion. they have the casual content and they have savage/ultimate content but no mid. As per interview https://mogtalk.org/2021/05/07/inter...naoki-yoshida/ they prefer large scale compared to small scale. Only speaking for myself this would keep me heavy invested in the game alot more.

Job changes-Alot of people feel( what i see on the forums) are not happy with the changes. Take for instance the healer changes as per https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/419013. When you have a moment take a look at it. Bard is another, they came out an mentioned that they do not know how bard should work. Compared to the other versions.


Race and customization some races in this game are lacking and outdated . Take for instance Hrothgar & Viera they are not complete. They cannot wear/use the new hair styles. They cannot where helms. And if im not mistaken the only way to change is by using a fantasia

Hall of novice, it great to teach new players the roles of the game but it does not go into the full details of the class in said role. Like the cards for ast.

This is just some that i can think of. If I'm wrong in something please correct me

Quick edit to add the race.

[Kes13a]

Okay got a few minutes to spare. FFXIV is good but however it has it flaws.

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while I do not outright disagree...

Housing: I thought they fixed the issue where one person could buy up a ward. as in, I think that was the case at one point but is no longer so. The whole point of reclaiming the property and someone else getting is because they are in demand. why have a bunch of "derelict" unused housing if people PLAYING actually want them? They are a limited resource, it sucks but it makes sense.

Glamour and storage: yeah, needs work, and about double the glamour plates, but could be far worse. A lot of issues come down to inventory management. at least this isnt some of teh other mmo's where you get endless amount of trash items drops for vendor sales because "junk loot is *fun*" If SE did that, then inventory would be a nightmare

Midcore: hard call on that one. I didnt find any lack of it and was always busy. I think thats a personal 'how you play' thing. I was enjoying the journey too much to notice

Job Changes: falls back again on how you play. I arrived late on the healer changes, since I started mid Stormblood. I thought and have always thought healers work fine for the game. The main complaining at the time was that people were complaining about having to heal now instead of just the fast queue times so they could go in and lead the dps stats. those people, and there were a very vocal number of them, complained, especially about scholar, because they now had to heal instead of only doing dps. It was pointed out they could go in as a Summoner, but they didnt want to wait that long. so.. playstyle related in many cases

Hall of Novice: does it need to deep dive in? it to teach people the basics. by 15 you are entering into dungeons with other players usually, and the idea is you might talk to them. Astrologer is a bit more complex than what Novice covers, could there be a mid-range Novice type thing, sure, that would be helpful I imagine. You know, something you can sign up for in Heavensward or StormBlood for more advanced usages.

Those are my thoughts anyway, I prefer the style here, being actual tank, healer dps roles instead of the latest "you can be everything" mentality that permeate mmos currently. cookie cutters are nice, but if you have 15 classes and the only difference is looks and weapon type, how much effort was really put into them?

anyway, have a great day ^^

[Axxion]

while I do not outright disagree...

Housing: I thought they fixed the issue where one person could buy up a ward. as in, I think that was the case at one point but is no longer so. The whole point of reclaiming the property and someone else getting is because they are in demand. why have a bunch of "derelict" unused housing if people PLAYING actually want them? They are a limited resource, it sucks but it makes sense.

Glamour and storage: yeah, needs work, and about double the glamour plates, but could be far worse. A lot of issues come down to inventory management. at least this isnt some of teh other mmo's where you get endless amount of trash items drops for vendor sales because "junk loot is *fun*" If SE did that, then inventory would be a nightmare

Midcore: hard call on that one. I didnt find any lack of it and was always busy. I think thats a personal 'how you play' thing. I was enjoying the journey too much to notice

Job Changes: falls back again on how you play. I arrived late on the healer changes, since I started mid Stormblood. I thought and have always thought healers work fine for the game. The main complaining at the time was that people were complaining about having to heal now instead of just the fast queue times so they could go in and lead the dps stats. those people, and there were a very vocal number of them, complained, especially about scholar, because they now had to heal instead of only doing dps. It was pointed out they could go in as a Summoner, but they didnt want to wait that long. so.. playstyle related in many cases

Hall of Novice: does it need to deep dive in? it to teach people the basics. by 15 you are entering into dungeons with other players usually, and the idea is you might talk to them. Astrologer is a bit more complex than what Novice covers, could there be a mid-range Novice type thing, sure, that would be helpful I imagine. You know, something you can sign up for in Heavensward or StormBlood for more advanced usages.

Those are my thoughts anyway, I prefer the style here, being actual tank, healer dps roles instead of the latest "you can be everything" mentality that permeate mmos currently. cookie cutters are nice, but if you have 15 classes and the only difference is looks and weapon type, how much effort was really put into them?

anyway, have a great day ^^

And respect that, this is just my thoughts. you have a good day as well.

For me the job changes is mixed . I played since arr and hw. the changes then where interesting until now. Like for instance, take the bard in hw. That was bow mage a and that wasn't taken to well. The reason why i feel like they need to go into a deep dive just a bit more, just to be bit more informative you know.

[ForteNightshade]

Job Changes: falls back again on how you play. I arrived late on the healer changes, since I started mid Stormblood. I thought and have always thought healers work fine for the game. The main complaining at the time was that people were complaining about having to heal now instead of just the fast queue times so they could go in and lead the dps stats. those people, and there were a very vocal number of them, complained, especially about scholar, because they now had to heal instead of only doing dps. It was pointed out they could go in as a Summoner, but they didnt want to wait that long. so.. playstyle related in many cases

This... isn't true at all. Healers still barely need to heal in Shadowbringers, which has been the main complaint throughout the entire expansion. In fact, Shadowbringers is arguably the easiest iteration of healers unless you're micromanaging as little GCD casts as possible. Even at the highest difficulty level, you'll spend over 50% of your casts DPSing.

[Liam_Harper]

To be fair, expectations for MMO's are probably a bit too high nowadays. The expectation for a great MMO would be no bots, good customer support, balanced in all areas of gameplay, both accessible and engaging and rewarding to master, a wide variety of content, not too heavy on cash shops, lots of customization, good graphics, no glitches, managing to retain challenge even when full guides and/or mathematical breakdowns become available within days, a great story that can also be skipped if the player doesn't like story, lots of fun side content, lots of rewards to obtain and so on. This is taking into consideration that player preferences vary wildly and can sometimes be polar opposites.

Games 20+ years ago were much more simple on graphics and didn't need much balance because we didn't all have full guides, so they could create 100 hour rpgs that kept us happy. But the amount of work needed to qualify for being a "great" game has skyrocketed over time.

Devs are a team of human beings. They'll make mistakes, get things wrong sometimes, have good ideas and bad ideas and there's only so much content they can make within a limited timeframe. Throwing more and more staff at it isn't a fix either and tends to ruin games with multiple developers having conflicting ideas. So while games such as FF14 have many flaws, could indeed improve and constructive feedback is a positive, saying they flat out "suck" despite being here having fun overall is a bit disrespectful to the team that's put endless months of effort into their work.

[Puremallace]

There is a difference between tribalism and just really terrible game design made for f2p mobile games. Your damn right I am going to be negative on WoW when the game director is telling the community to either git good or that they do not understand his vision that is clearly not working going on 3 expansions.

Ion reminds me way too much of John Smedley that ruined SWG. I got issues with FF14 but none of them are truly existential problems with their vision for how it should be played.

[Eric_Riot]

Here's the thing about housing. The only thing bad about housing is the accessibility. Which is a huge problem. Other than that Housing is actually pretty cool.

If housing sucked in the game then people wouldn't be crying about not having one. Every month there's a new "Housing" thread, that says a lot about how desperate people are to get their hands on one.

Ergo Housing is awesome in this game. I completely agree that the accessibility of housing is a major problem. Yet, the Housing itself is very fun and creative.

[Theodric]

Here's the thing about housing. The only thing bad about housing is the accessibility. Which is a huge problem. Other than that Housing is actually pretty cool.

If housing sucked in the game then people wouldn't be crying about not having one. Every month there's a new "Housing" thread, that says a lot about how desperate people are to get their hands on one.

Ergo Housing is awesome in this game. I completely agree that the accessibility of housing is a major problem. Yet, the Housing itself is very fun and creative.

The lack of accessibility is the main issue, certainly, though that in itself makes it difficult to cast a light on the flaws and weak aspects of housing because whenever they're brought up the common retort is 'At least you have a house!'

[KizuyaKatogami]

Here's the thing about housing. The only thing bad about housing is the accessibility. Which is a huge problem. Other than that Housing is actually pretty cool.

If housing sucked in the game then people wouldn't be crying about not having one. Every month there's a new "Housing" thread, that says a lot about how desperate people are to get their hands on one.

Ergo Housing is awesome in this game. I completely agree that the accessibility of housing is a major problem. Yet, the Housing itself is very fun and creative.

Eh, not only the accessibility but the limitations on housing.The problems with the engine and the fact we have such a low item limit in small’s and mediums. It would all literally be fixed if we simply had instanced housing but because Yoshi P personally doesn’t like that, we can’t have it Even though it would be better for the players in the long run. The fact though they haven’t addressed the accessibility for 6-8 years is actually concerning. Not only that but the whole if you’re away for one month, you lose your house thing. Yoshi p preaches that he doesn’t want people to feel tied to this game and that’s why they got rid of veteran rewards yet they implement the housing restriction that if you unsub for only a month, say goodbye to your house that required you spending hours at a placard for. It’s such a contradicting statement.

[Eric_Riot]

I'm thinking about housing flaws (besides accessibility) Besides the item limit on all houses indoors and out.. I can't think of much.

http://www.xivliving.com/

I've had houses in UO, Lotro, Swtor, Skyrim, and the lame GW2 instance. For me, FFXIV is by far superior than those guys. It may be the "Graphic" that makes it superior then UO and the earlier games, but I've had SO much fun decorating our FC Large.