Reopen the Moogle Pageantry Store now!!

[Fland]

I'm just more baffled by you and the folks in here who are pushing back against a grace period while claiming that you're not lol.

No one's pushing against grace period. People are just criticizing the ones who insist on blaming SE for their own oversight.

[Vahlnir]

No one's pushing against grace period. People are just criticizing the ones who insist on blaming SE for their own oversight.

[Lanadra]

No one's pushing against grace period. People are just criticizing the ones who insist on blaming SE for their own oversight.

This exactly. I'm expecting people who made a mistake and thus missed out to take a little bit of responsibility for it. Instead there's a lot of blaming SE and both begging and demanding SE open the store back up.

[DoH]

This exactly. I'm expecting people who made a mistake and thus missed out to take a little bit of responsibility for it. Instead there's a lot of blaming SE and both begging and demanding SE open the store back up.

There's also people like me who are saying yeah, it's my fault that I didn't see the message (even though it is strange they randomly changed it this time, but whatever), but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be cool if SE reopened the store. Your all's approach to even this sort of stance is "no you dun read good so you dumb and need to take responsibiliteh." And then you are all pretending that you're being completely reasonable when you get called out. Just lol.

For example, the last post calls out both those "begging" and those "demanding" SE to reopen the store. Those are two completely separate things. Nobody has a right to make demands of SE, but why are you calling out people who are "begging" (i.e., asking) SE to reopen the store so that they can spend their tomestones? Like, as long as they're just asking politely (obviously the OP isn't), why do you care? I'm honestly curious.

[kaynide]

Just to offer some perspective from the Japanese point of view, regarding things like a grace period.

I personally don’t care either way about a grace period, but SE chose not to… why?

In Japan there are often set boundaries when it comes to things like bending rules and it is often frowned upon to make exceptions because if you make an exception this time, people will expect an exception next time.

It’s viewed very much as a “if you give a mouse a cookie…” situation (google it, it’s a kids book).

To the point, they haven’t had grace periods for events like Xmas or Halloween, so for this to be an exception would give players reason to complain when (for example) the FF15 event returns and doesn’t offer a grace period. This is much more difficult to explain to the player base than “sorry, our events end when they end”.



Personally? I think they should just have a holiday vendor that has exchange for every old/expired “currency” into something like Grand Company Seals or Tomestones.

[TaleraRistain]

They put the disclaimer because the Moogle event wasn't tied to ending on a new patch. It would just expire and go away, back to what the Moogle previously offered. Makes total sense.

That's a really good point. I don't think they've said anything official. But it does seem credible they could hotfix something in with a timer but would have required more jiggling with the code to make it persist after that expired.

Especially because like you said, a lot of events just turn on and off. I've been online when things just popped up around me and it was off-putting at first but you get used to it.

[DoH]

I honestly don't know why SE chose to call the items for this event "irregular tomestones" when they function differently from every other "irregular tomestone" in recent history (e.g., mythology, soldiery, law, esoterics, etc.). I think if they'd used any other item (e.g., like the Pumpkin Cookies, Heavensturn Tickets, etc.) that was specific to this event but was not called an "irregular tomestone," the vast majority of people would've known that it functioned differently even if they missed the disclaimer. It just seems strange that SE didn't implement the typical seasonal vendor like usually they do with these sort of events but instead chose to use the Itinerant Moogle, which has always allowed post-event turn-ins. Say what you will, but this is an issue of poor planning/design for this event. They switched things up and, although they had disclaimers, this is never how they've done it in the past. If for some reason you can't understand why someone would assume that a game mechanic would continue to operate as it always has, then I don't know what to say.

[Colt47]

They should leave them up. There really is no reason to take down the pageantry tome stones after the event concluded, it was largely arbitrary and they kept prior exchanges up after the event for the last three times I think. I still got 130 of them and didn't even realize the event was honestly just going to end like that.

And even if you did know that it was going to end, would you honestly agree to have them taken down? Why leave the other ones up, and just take down this one? It's not about whether someone remembered to turn them in or not, it is about the whole goal of having these tomestones up in the first place. If someone went on vacation or got busy in life, then missed the cutoff date, and they had a huge store of tomestones stacked in their inventory they just got burned by the entire system.

And FYI just about every single game in the universe lets you dump the items into something from events after the event ends, or makes the items you get from the event directly usable in some way. WoW had candies you could use during the valentines day events and while that one had chocolate turn ins that didn't do anything, I recall the reward was mostly just getting more expendable items. The pageantry tomestones are like a motherload of time consuming items you can normally get in game at great costs in time. I'd never take the darn thing off for at least two months after the event ended. Maybe give people a week or something afterwards minimum but just leave the turn-in moogle there.

Ah before I forget, if someone uses quick launcher, they probably didn't see anything about the event end being the point where tomestones are now worthless. I barely even come to the lodestone as is, I just came over here because I logged in and noticed the event ended, went to do my usual thing of turning in the tomestones, and they are gone. No warning or anything. Maybe it was in the purple text or something? I don't remember seeing it when logging in and if I did it got buried immediately in the chat log. I mean do we need another Garo train?

[Jijifli]

Ah before I forget, if someone uses quick launcher, they probably didn't see anything about the event end being the point where tomestones are now worthless.

Ignoring the ToS on launchers of course, I highly HIGHLY doubt it prevented any player from have access to the chat box. That chat box that, on every single login, stated that the tomes will becomes useless right when the event ends.

If someone was physically incapable of handing in on the last day due to something, then I understand, but most people are pretending like Square didn't make an attempt to warn them, when in reality they literally warned us every day of the event, some days through multiple sources over and over. Square doesn't have any obligation to bring them back, because they fairly made sure everyone got potentially tens, if not hundreds of warnings beforehand.

[Colt47]

Ignoring the ToS on launchers of course, I highly HIGHLY doubt it prevented any player from have access to the chat box. That chat box that, on every single login, stated that the tomes will becomes useless right when the event ends.

If someone was physically incapable of handing in on the last day due to something, then I understand, but most people are pretending like Square didn't make an attempt to warn them, when in reality they literally warned us every day of the event, some days through multiple sources over and over. Square doesn't have any obligation to bring them back, because they fairly made sure everyone got potentially tens, if not hundreds of warnings beforehand.

Honestly I'm just projecting a bit in my post since I was one of those people who got a bit overwhelmed with life recently and wasn't able to make the cut-off. Ignorance is not really a good defense for such a thing, but it does feel like it went against prior years where they kept things up. In my own case I really only knew the event was going through the 14th and wasn't aware of the tomestones going away. I just look at the advertisements for events running and when the end date is, then go off the historic precedent. If it was like this on every tomestone event I really wouldn't have anything to say other than it's my own fault.