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[Velvet_Lunarfang]

I'll just add my 2 cents for whatever it is worth and then I am done. What I am trying to prove here is how broken the system is. Let's face facts the only reason people are doing Bozja is the fact that the relic is gated behind it. I will bet you any amount of money that if you could obtain your relic without Bozja then it be a dead zone that is pure facts. The census of majority of players is no one liked Eureka back in SB and not many people like Bozja. Relics were better obtained back in ARR and HW. Now they make this content and most people just get bored of it honestly.

What I am trying to say is why is when people criticize ff14 in anyway knowing the game is not perfect at all, that it needs improvements here and there that some of the community attacks those that criticize the game like a crazy cult? Sit down and realize this game may be good in some areas but not in others. Instead of attacking people on content that most people don't enjoy and talk about it is like upsetting a nest of bees. I don't mind knowing mechanics and preparing myself for mount farms or other content. Just that Bozja could of been thought out differently it may have sounded good on paper but in practice it stinks point and simple. It's ok to run in there once in a while but at the end it gets truly boring and you have to admit it.

I know at level 25 and if you complete it iirc you can start doing the buffs to your character which can help DPS so I am sure those help out quite a bit. Though we know in a month or 2 Bozja will die just like any other content. So unfortunately for new players even though it be cosmetic the content be so dead they couldn't do it unless they buff you so much you can solo it. Not trying to say everyone is horrible just trying to see why people bash on someone as soon as they criticize?

At the end of the day the game needs more improvements. The housing system sucks and everyone knows that. The Market Board is always in disarray and never gets fixed due bots. That is just the surface of some issues but more people complained about not having bunny bois lol? Just trying to say that the games needs some fixing and people try to say that but get attacked instead. That is all I have to say just my thoughts on the matter

[CKNovel]

Snippo

I'll give you my final honest answer about it:
I don't like people not preparing themselves, being an extra weight for a group rather than a valuable asset. I believe we should do more because we can do more, not less because the others do less.
But in the end of the day, it's my own opinion. I can't force you to use essence, I'm no one to judge your choices and I surely won't harass you or anyone because of it.

You do you, I do me.

I'll just add my 2 cents for whatever it is worth and then I am done. What I am trying to prove here is how broken the system is. Let's face facts the only reason people are doing Bozja is the fact that the relic is gated behind it. I will bet you any amount of money that if you could obtain your relic without Bozja then it be a dead zone that is pure facts. The census of majority of players is no one liked Eureka back in SB and not many people like Bozja. Relics were better obtained back in ARR and HW. Now they make this content and most people just get bored of it honestly.

Ah yes, running 150 times the same dungeons, "better".
And you already lost your money, you already can get a lot of steps outsides of Bozja.
Is Castrum Litore dead? DRN dead? Dalriada dead? No they keep getting farmed and that's not for the relic.

Bozja sure needs massive improvements and control quality, but it's already quite the step-up compared to Eureka and it has been improving duels or loot for example.
Zadnor is not my favorite part of it, DR and DRS are probably the worst part for me. Except we got cool looking judge armor.

[Kaurhz]

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Let's face it; the only reason anyone would ever farm the same dungeon an umpteenth number of times is that a relic was locked behind it. The fact remains you can apply this very broad statement to practically any piece of content in the game. You can tout this as much as you like but the simple fact remains that for the vast majority of the lifespan of Bozja, it has been a lot more efficient to progress the relic out than it is in Bozja so I'm not sure how well this statement really applies..

No people have criticized this game extensively, include the piece mentioned above - That it has largely been a lot more efficient to do relics outside of Bozja than it has been to do it inside of Bozja. You moved the argument from complaining about the playerbase essentially forcing boundaries on you to using essences, and then people on here about them hounding you, or trying to go bitz mode. Then you moved your goalpost to people attacking you for criticizing the game. People were criticizing your reluctance to do anything that would inherently be much faster in the long run, not criticizing you for criticizing the game - Had you criticized that DR should be scaled to no essences then I would argue that a majority of people would agree with you.

Why don't you sit down and keep your argument straight instead of going for trite arguments.

Considering to this very day I have found Eureka to still be quite active, I'm going to vehemently disagree with you, thousand times over. Bozja will be alive way into 6.0. What you fail to realize is that Bozja is scaled a lot better than Eureka for the number of people in the instance, and will more than likely age perfectly well.

The game does need improvements yes, and you hardly presented your argument as such, you in fact used your original post to attack the community on the expectations they basically enforce on you. So once again I return the gesture of 'Sit down' and keep your argument straight"

Since I already expect this. It's not that I'm hounding you for criticizing Square Enix or whatever. I just simply don't agree with, or like your approach to the argument.

[Rinhi]

I've spent about 7ish minutes outside the first bozja gate and got around 50 fragments of skill that gave me enough aetherweavers and martialists to do another relic to my current one, with another 7 minutes just outside the 2nd gate I could get enough awakening fragments to get enough skirmishers, ordaineds, irregulars and profanes that are equally useful
it's not even grinding, you don't even have to move much and you'll be swimming in them in legitimately no time and if you do CLL, DR or DAL you will actually pull your weight

[Infindox]

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We want discussion, you just came at it as though your opinion is right and no one else matters, then called people mentally challenged because they like doing something you don't. I actually would go into Bozja and Zadnor of my own free will because I like the content. I also liked Eureka at first until Pagos completely ruined it for me. It's not perfect, but hey.

[OranKells]

this thread is 170 posts too long.

This is why we can't have nice things.

Do you have to use an essence? No.

Should you use an essence? Yes, they are very easy to obtain.

No one is asking to pull out the purple parses and do some super duper dps but given that its 40%-80% boost, this is really the least you can do.

And no. there is no mechanism to enforce their use; some players will inevitably forget or just to be an obstinate or contrarian troll and refuse to use them. Some people are just gonna be bad and that's the fact of life using the duty finder.

and yet that inspired a debate amongst the "you don't pay my sub" crowd as to why its a problem when a in a cooperative multiplayer game some players cannot or will not pull their own weight. Really?

Delete the north American forums. In fact just close the servers down. We don't deserve rights.

[LittleImp]

I'd be willing to bet the people who lost it when someone mentioned a mental disorder are the same people who upvoted this string of pointless personal attacks. Now, let's continue debating which side is more toxic.

Fact still remains that essences are a luxury, not a necessity. People don't pentameld and show up with high level food/pots for normal raids either, even though I'm sure if you actually compared a worst and best case scenario it would be pretty dramatic. Fact is nobody owes you a bunch of extra time spent farming, or extra gil spent on external boosts. There is no "problem" to be part of; just a bunch of people who want to make demands in a DF group, instead of in a PF group like they're supposed to.

Pro-tip to anyone newer to the forums:

The second the legendary Goji1639 takes your side on any argument, you can very safely assume you're on the wrong side.

I would have more respect for your type if you just openly admitted you were okay with taking advantage of other peoples time, rather than repeatedly making attempts to frame yourselves as victims.

[Goji1639]

Pro-tip to anyone newer to the forums:

The second the legendary Goji1639 takes your side on any argument, you can very safely assume you're on the wrongs side.

I would have more respect for your type if you just openly admitted you were okay with taking advantage of other peoples time, rather than repeatedly making attempts to frame yourselves as victims.

Legendary, eh. Are you coming onto me?

I was just pointing out the irony of you delicate flowers becoming aghast when someone suggested speed runners have some kind of ADHD like mental disorder, but you calling people who don't use essences "morally defective, sociopathic losers" gets a standing ovation here.

But I didn't intend to interrupt; you all please continue ranting about how "toxic" the other side is.

[Nethereal]

Legendary, eh. Are you coming onto me?

I was just pointing out the irony of you delicate flowers becoming aghast when someone suggested speed runners have some kind of ADHD like mental disorder, but you calling people who don't use essences "morally defective, sociopathic losers" gets a standing ovation here.

But I didn't intend to interrupt; you all please continue ranting about how "toxic" the other side is.

I haven't seen anyone say anything about being "morally defective" for not using essences but I'll also say you're not morally defective for not using essences.

You are however using severe mental gymnastics for no reason and can't admit to the results of basic simple math and logic. That's a little too much irony to let go when you're the first person to bring up "bad logic"

[TheMightyMollusk]

UPDATE: Yeah, this was totally bait.