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[LittleImp]

Legendary, eh. Are you coming onto me?

I was just pointing out the irony of you delicate flowers becoming aghast when someone suggested speed runners have some kind of ADHD like mental disorder, but you calling people who don't use essences "morally defective, sociopathic losers" gets a standing ovation here.

But I didn't intend to interrupt; you all please continue ranting about how "toxic" the other side is.

These kind of moral framing tricks won't work on me, my actions throughout the years on this game say more than enough about what kind of person I am.

What do yours say about you?

I have no need to masquerade as a fake paragon of morality, because I have no reliant grift and no motive to constantly portray myself as a victim.
I advocate for a culture of mutual respect in which players bring their best, whatever it may be. If a player is truly weak for reasons beyond their control, I don't mind being the strength to their weakness.

But weakness by choice is pathetic, particularly when the time and ambitions of other people hang in the balance. Weakness by choice is a complete moral defect, and its endorsement is a harmful act. Do you think someone who intentionally chooses to be weak is a 'winner'? Do you think someone who engages in anti-social behavior without remorse isn't showing border-line sociopathic traits?

Every time a thread of this nature comes up, you folks are given the tools to solve your problem, only to repeatedly backpedal until you admit you simply don't care.
I stand by my words, emphatically.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I mean, it literally has amounted to time well spent, I've coached you through this twice already, but here's the third: Spend a modicum of time grinding for essences, run DRNs much faster by grouping with other people willing to come prepared, spend significantly less over all time grinding for the relic(s). And then use your extra time to post at people on the forums who don't understand basic concepts like math, I guess.

Improving your own damage still reduces the over all run time. That's like, the whole concept in play here. The more people who actually come prepared to do the content, the more time everyone saves.

Why is nobody here getting the "fun" part? If you don't have fun doing cluster farm, or any other method for getting those essences. But you still have fun in a longer DR run? Where is the problem for me or anyone else with similar attitude.

I farmed clusters to get the emotes, the mount is a derpy joke that I don't like since in general I don't like the machines in this game. I don't want the new hairstyle I think it is hideous and what I did want I now have. Just did a duty finder DR run took about 35mins, some use essence some don't. But I had fun with my FC members, a couple were first timing. Really not getting why you get so worked up over people not doing what suits YOU best. It's not the agreed upon "bare minimum" others have said, if it was there would be no discussion at all. It's like, there is party finder why not stop whining and use it? I don't que Diamond weapon in DF and expect it to be super efficient for me to farm it at speed. So why exactly do you expect it for bozja content? It is duty finder, it will ALWAYS be slower than a premade group.

I shall carry on my slow grind, enjoying myself. When I get an essence I will use it. Some I am keeping for savage.. and frankly that SO many people are still arguing with one person over how butt hurt they are people dare not play how they want instead is laughable. Idc what is most efficient, I care myself and my friends are having fun.

[Caurcas]

Why is nobody here getting the "fun" part? If you don't have fun doing cluster farm, or any other method for getting those essences. But you still have fun in a longer DR run? Where is the problem for me or anyone else with similar attitude.

I farmed clusters to get the emotes, the mount is a derpy joke that I don't like since in general I don't like the machines in this game. I don't want the new hairstyle I think it is hideous and what I did want I now have. Just did a duty finder DR run took about 35mins, some use essence some don't. But I had fun with my FC members, a couple were first timing. Really not getting why you get so worked up over people not doing what suits YOU best. It's not the agreed upon "bare minimum" others have said, if it was there would be no discussion at all. It's like, there is party finder why not stop whining and use it? I don't que Diamond weapon in DF and expect it to be super efficient for me to farm it at speed. So why exactly do you expect it for bozja content? It is duty finder, it will ALWAYS be slower than a premade group.

I shall carry on my slow grind, enjoying myself. When I get an essence I will use it. Some I am keeping for savage.. and frankly that SO many people are still arguing with one person over how butt hurt they are people dare not play how they want instead is laughable. Idc what is most efficient, I care myself and my friends are having fun.

It's not fun to be bad/playing poorly. It's like being proud of a participation trophy.

[Nethereal]

Why is nobody here getting the "fun" part? If you don't have fun doing cluster farm, or any other method for getting those essences. But you still have fun in a longer DR run? Where is the problem for me or anyone else with similar attitude.

I farmed clusters to get the emotes, the mount is a derpy joke that I don't like since in general I don't like the machines in this game. I don't want the new hairstyle I think it is hideous and what I did want I now have. Just did a duty finder DR run took about 35mins, some use essence some don't. But I had fun with my FC members, a couple were first timing. Really not getting why you get so worked up over people not doing what suits YOU best. It's not the agreed upon "bare minimum" others have said, if it was there would be no discussion at all. It's like, there is party finder why not stop whining and use it? I don't que Diamond weapon in DF and expect it to be super efficient for me to farm it at speed. So why exactly do you expect it for bozja content? It is duty finder, it will ALWAYS be slower than a premade group.

I shall carry on my slow grind, enjoying myself. When I get an essence I will use it. Some I am keeping for savage.. and frankly that SO many people are still arguing with one person over how butt hurt they are people dare not play how they want instead is laughable. Idc what is most efficient, I care myself and my friends are having fun.

That's fine, you don't have fun farming for clusters, cool don't farm for clusters. It would be nice if you bought them to help everyone else but no biggy.

The issue is when you start using mental gymnastics to deny you are actively taking a role in increasing how long everything is taking and actively deny that you personally not using essences does not impact how long something will take.

You don't like to farm/won't buy clusters? Then you're personally increasing how long this DR is going to be for yourself and everyone else this is a team game and not everyone has the same amount of time allotted to them so we should do the bare minimum of respect and help each other out as human beings, you don't want to or don't care to? That's fine own it.

"Speed run" DR in PF takes 30 minutes if that, DR in DF will usually take 45 minutes and up. You not being a part of the solution is fine, but don't deny you're a part of the problem.

The issue isn't clusters or essences, it's the mindset behind the people who don't get/use them. They like to hide behind semantics, sophistry, flawed logic, and moral grandeur.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

It's not fun to be bad/playing poorly. It's like being proud of a participation trophy.

My dps is fine, I enjoy myself. Whether you find how I play fun is irrelevant to me. I can clear whatever content I go to do comfortably. But imagine being proud of having the biggest dps in an online game. Ultimately it means nothing. It has less value than a participation trophy.

[ZedxKayn]

My dps is fine, I enjoy myself. Whether you find how I play fun is irrelevant to me. I can clear whatever content I go to do comfortably. But imagine being proud of having the biggest dps in an online game. Ultimately it means nothing. It has less value than a participation trophy.

Dude if you're not using something easy to come by that increases your output by 60% your DPS isn't fine.
What's wrong with people being proud of themselves though if they're putting effort into what they're doing? What's with people trying to shame others for enjoying efficiency in this thread?

[Aelin_Ashryver]

SNIP.

I never once denied that my not using an essence slows down the raid. On my own it won't amount to much but half and half, sure it will take longer. My point is I don't give a damn how long that DR takes me. I will do what is enjoyable for me, thus if I have one I use it.. if I don't I won't and I am not gonna buy them when I am busy trying to hit my first 100mill gil. People say I am looking for a carry to though and I am not. If not a single person in my duty run uses an essence... I am ok with that xD It will take however long it takes. I know when I hit the button to go into the duty it could take 45mins or so. And I don't complain and berate others for it's speed. Some people are perma dead with their essence, while me without never dies. I am "'speeding things up' more than they are.

I have said many times at this point. I have no problem. People wanting a faster clear do have a problem and the PF groups are the solution. You will never get a super fast run consistenly in duty finder. First timers are there, people who have lower capabilities in general are there. It is stupid to go in and then get mad that people are not doing what u want to get you a fast clear, esp where you have an avenue to get the efficient farm you need.

You point out that not everyone has a great amount of time. That much is true! But if you don't have 45mins to do the duty, don't que for it! Your or others lack of time is not my problem to solve. I own that as you say. I don't lose my sh*t in a league of legends match when the game goes long, because I know it can happen and it is MY responsibility to manage my time properly. When I do eventually get to a point where I feel I just want to bang out those runs I will go into PF and use the essences I have for the various jobs I have em for. I would say the bare minimum of respect is my doing my best to do my dps rotation, keep my party alive as healer and not afk and leech or do grief pulls what have you. I have work, studies, a very excitable dog as well as an elder to care for. I am a busy girl! But I don't go into content via duty finder if I am not sure I will have the time for it.

I'm not morally superior. But I am pointing out that people have the option to make the runs better for themselves, people are responsible for their own time and they cannot do a damn thing to change how others act and calling them leeches, trolls etc is pointless. Even if the moaning encouraged a few people to use those essences, it is not done for the right reasons, shaming people for not playing how you want them too is a douche move.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Dude if you're not using something easy to come by that increases your output by 60% your DPS isn't fine.
What's wrong with people being proud of themselves though if they're putting effort into what they're doing? What's with people trying to shame others for enjoying efficiency in this thread?

I won't clap back if they and you would stop trying to do exactly what you are whining about? You and every other is trying to shame people for not using the essences. If I have to sit miserable and bored doing cluster farm or spend the money I am trying to save. That is not easy for me to come by is it? What is easy and relaxing and enjoyable is to go into the duty with friends and get the clears. I enjoy being able to save someone from messing up a mechanic with rescue. Or saving them with bursty heals if rescue is on cd etc. Enjoy being efficient all you want. But don't sh*t on others for enjoying a more chill time, not doing the utmost dps and then bitch if u get clapped back at?

The amount of people teasing and trolling OP in the start of the thread and the amount whom throughout the thread have put people down for not using the essences. Don't try and act as though they are poor poor victims when they are actively trashing other people for how THEY play.

[Nethereal]

I never once denied that my not using an essence slows down the raid. On my own it won't amount to much but half and half, sure it will take longer. My point is I don't give a damn how long that DR takes me. I will do what is enjoyable for me, thus if I have one I use it.. if I don't I won't and I am not gonna buy them when I am busy trying to hit my first 100mill gil. People say I am looking for a carry to though and I am not. If not a single person in my duty run uses an essence... I am ok with that xD It will take however long it takes. I know when I hit the button to go into the duty it could take 45mins or so. And I don't complain and berate others for it's speed. Some people are perma dead with their essence, while me without never dies. I am "'speeding things up' more than they are.

I have said many times at this point. I have no problem. People wanting a faster clear do have a problem and the PF groups are the solution. You will never get a super fast run consistenly in duty finder. First timers are there, people who have lower capabilities in general are there. It is stupid to go in and then get mad that people are not doing what u want to get you a fast clear, esp where you have an avenue to get the efficient farm you need.

You point out that not everyone has a great amount of time. That much is true! But if you don't have 45mins to do the duty, don't que for it! Your or others lack of time is not my problem to solve. I own that as you say. I don't lose my sh*t in a league of legends match when the game goes long, because I know it can happen and it is MY responsibility to manage my time properly. When I do eventually get to a point where I feel I just want to bang out those runs I will go into PF and use the essences I have for the various jobs I have em for. I would say the bare minimum of respect is my doing my best to do my dps rotation, keep my party alive as healer and not afk and leech or do grief pulls what have you. I have work, studies, a very excitable dog as well as an elder to care for. I am a busy girl! But I don't go into content via duty finder if I am not sure I will have the time for it.

I'm not morally superior. But I am pointing out that people have the option to make the runs better for themselves, people are responsible for their own time and they cannot do a damn thing to change how others act and calling them leeches, trolls etc is pointless. Even if the moaning encouraged a few people to use those essences, it is not done for the right reasons, shaming people for not playing how you want them too is a douche move.

I wasn't calling you out specifically in any of that It was in response to your:

Why is nobody here getting the "fun" part?

We get it but people don't want to own it. You admitting its not fun and you don't want to do it is entirely valid its when you start getting people who will hide and hide and once you eventually boil them down they'll finally admit they just don't care.

If you don't want to farm just say you don't want to farm because it's not fun and you don't care. If you don't want to buy clusters just say you don't want to buy clusters because they're personally not worth my gil and currently are getting in the way of my goal to save gil. These are all valid opinions and choices to have and to hold. You don't want to do it that's fine.

What's not fine is when people start pretending essences don't make or break how long a DR run will be, diminish the value of them due to their ignorance, constantly use mental gymnastics and flawed logic to try and bend a conversation in their favor, and run themselves and other people in circles with absolutely no evidence to back their claim simply because they don't like to own the reality of what their choices entail.

[Miracle_Diva]

I won't clap back if they and you would stop trying to do exactly what you are whining about? You and every other is trying to shame people for not using the essences. If I have to sit miserable and bored doing cluster farm or spend the money I am trying to save. That is not easy for me to come by is it? What is easy and relaxing and enjoyable is to go into the duty with friends and get the clears. I enjoy being able to save someone from messing up a mechanic with rescue. Or saving them with bursty heals if rescue is on cd etc. Enjoy being efficient all you want. But don't sh*t on others for enjoying a more chill time, not doing the utmost dps and then bitch if u get clapped back at?

The amount of people teasing and trolling OP in the start of the thread and the amount whom throughout the thread have put people down for not using the essences. Don't try and act as though they are poor poor victims when they are actively trashing other people for how THEY play.

You come to group content - you have to pull your weight. No one wants to carry a lazy player because they don't enjoy effort.
OP came to criticize, got criticized back, ran away calling others toxic because they didn't agree with her/him. I guess this is what you call trashing on others?
I don't get what's so hard to get a few essences? You use one and it's gonna stay until you change class or leave the instance.