Fix Housing Megathread

[Kniteroad]

I'm sure this has been suggested a million times but in the off chance it hasn't, what if instanced housing was created for FCs only. The whole "neighborhood" idea is nice but i feel like it's not needed when you have an established community like an FC. The size of the house could correspond either to the size of the FC or the FC could spend gil and/or other resources to make it larger over time. The latter also being good for smaller FCs who want a large plot with apartments for their members. This could also sort of fix the shell FC issue as if you want to create a shell FC to create you're own instanced house it's not effecting the community at all. The FCs that already have a house would be given (X) amount of time to relinquish their plot for a full refund (as well as members who purchased a room) so they could create their new instanced house.

I'm sure there will be server issues to deal with but it sounds like they might have to expand their server capabilities anyway if they are going to tackle the housing issue as a whole. Plus they might be half way there with the new island sanctuaries. This would also keep Yoshi's original concept of a neighborhood as all current housing would be personal plots. I would think this would free up a significant amount of plots in the short term while SE expands their capability to create more wards or whatever their plan is to increase supply long term.

[ItMe]

I'm sure this has been suggested a million times but in the off chance it hasn't, what if instanced housing was created for FCs only.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this how housing originally was?
Can someone remind me why they moved away from that model?

[Almagnus1]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this how housing originally was?
Can someone remind me why they moved away from that model?

Housing used to be FC housing, but the wards were pretty desolate (mostly due to FCs not having enough capital at that point in the game), so SE opened it up to all players.

While it would solve a lot of problems to force personal housing to only the apartments and FC rooms (especially if SE could lock down the wards to legitimate FCs), that will never happen as SE has made a decision that cannot be walked back.

[Imora]

They planning an apartment building in ishgard?

I kinda want one.

And I still think the GC rank requirement is dumb.

[Almagnus1]

They planning an apartment building in ishgard?

I kinda want one.

And I still think the GC rank requirement is dumb.

It's there to make it a bit harder for someone to create a bunch of alts, use them to make shell FCs, and then have one greedy person tie up an entire ward and deny several other players houses.

[Arielen]

They planning an apartment building in ishgard?

I kinda want one.

And I still think the GC rank requirement is dumb.

It's pretty basic. I don't mind it at all. I'd actually increase the housing reqs, like making housing only accessible to FCs like, rank 15+ or something, because it takes a few hours to get r6 solo lol. Feels like it's faster to get an FC to 6 than it takes to grind out all the stupid GC ranks and do the annoying mfing hunts.

[Seleni]

Many people seem to think “instance housing” = unlimited. But the reality is that there is a hard cap on the number of instances that can be run simultaneously. Increasing such capacity is expensive, because those are determined by CPU cores and RAM. (Current chip shortage likely does not help). And as housing is not a primary focus of this game, it will have to take a back seat to quests and dungeons too.

In other words, “instance housing” are limited too. There might have been some resources planned for apartments when it was introduced. But most likely those resources have already gotten diverted to fit in more wards.

And instance housing with exterior is likely to get even more limited in one way or another. Simplistically, more items loaded = more memory used. If you put exterior and interior in same instance, it means:

- House model will need to be scaled to interior space. (New models needed)
- Total item loaded in the instance will have to include exterior items + interior items + house itself (minimum of 4 items reserved: roof, walls, fence, exterior decoration)

If you use the apartment allocation as example, that 100 items limit will have to be down to 96 items then divided between interior and exterior. If you increase the items limit per instance then less instances will become available because more memory need to be allocated for each instance. (Again, total available memory is capped.)

Additionally, it is evident that cross-breeding requires the gardening patches to be always loaded (requires weather). So without a complete overhaul of the cross-breeding implementation, it’s impossible to have it in an instance.

So with that in mind, would the house-hunters really be satisfied with an instance housing that

- Has same or even lower item limit than apartments (to reduce system resources used)
- No cross-breeding with gardening.

… Looking at it this way, I can sort of see why SE would not attempt to implement any new instance housing system. Sigh

[Catstab]

SE has made a decision that cannot be walked back.

Idk, you're always saying they should walk back the decision to grandfather alt character houses.

Why not go the extra mile and just walk back all personal housing, now that apartments are available?

[Almagnus1]

Idk, you're always saying they should walk back the decision to grandfather alt character houses.

Why not go the extra mile and just walk back all personal housing, now that apartments are available?

Maybe if you keep fighting those windmills Don Quixote you'll find the answer to your question. I mean, you are going to sock-puppet me with whatever answer is convenient for you, so give me the answer that you want me to echo to you so you can get that epic forum win you so desperately crave.

[Jojoya]

Many people seem to think “instance housing” = unlimited. But the reality is that there is a hard cap on the number of instances that can be run simultaneously. Increasing such capacity is expensive, because those are determined by CPU cores and RAM. (Current chip shortage likely does not help). And as housing is not a primary focus of this game, it will have to take a back seat to quests and dungeons too.

If SE's concern was instance capacity limits, Trust would not be a thing because that's also an entire instance being devoted to a single player. Solo duties would not be a thing because that is an instance being used by a single player.

You're also ignoring the fact that the interiors of our houses along with our apartments and FC private chambers are already instanced. If it were that much of a problem, we wouldn't have any housing at all.

I can only be in a single instance at a time. If I'm in a dungeon, then I'm not in my housing so my housing isn't using up instance server space. If I'm in my housing, then I'm not in a dungeon so that's one less dungeon instance using up server space.