Parsers add replayability for casual players

[VelKallor]

Arthars after the ban was still using ACT but hid the names of the players when pugging

Then he learned his lesson. Good.

[Rinhi]

If you cant, or wont, understand why I would want nothing to do with such a person, no amount of explanation will ever suffice.

I do not tolerate that kind of abuse. From anyone. Ever, and quite frankly I am astounded that you think I , or anyone else for that matter, should do so either.

friends should be there for friends, through thick and thin, through good and bad times. friends are the family you chose, after all.
I honestly have no idea how to respond to your post because it is such an astonishing stance that I've never encountered once in my life, I'm genuinely surprised!
I'm not sure if you're a narcissist or have some other kind of complex, but breaking friendships over something like that happening ONCE is not normal at all...

[linayar]

Everything you cited remains against the ToS. Therefore, any player doing such should find themselves quickly banned if GMs do their jobs. I won't deny the initial month or so would be a "rough patch" as morons take things to unnecessary extremes. However, you could make the argument giving these people the rope to hang themselves only benefits the community since we'd be ridding the community of a toxic player. Furthermore, people this prone to toxicity will find other ways to get around the rules.

Just because the rules and enforcement won't change doesn't mean SE would want to embolden players to break the rules by officially endorsing parser.

Not to mention, both the strict "don't tell" policy and lack of a parse ironically leads to toxic casual behavior. Many players know they can't be called out or criticised for lackluster damage so they'll take advantage of that. Bit of a double standard this is viewed as okay while the mere idea of publicly allowing parsers is seem as opening Pandora's box.

SE defines obstruction of play as nuisance behavior, which can still result in penalty even if it is not classified as harassment.

If "lackluster damage" is a means used to deliberately obstruct play, then you can try reporting it. Otherwise, there is no double standard because making a rule based on judging people's performance is just silly. If the content allows for even "lackluster damage" to clear, then it is not a problem with the player.

We also need to define "harassment". Some people take being told their damage is low or that due to said low damage they're being repped as harassment. Which it simply isn't.

It depends on how you say it. If you're insulting someone for their performance, then it is harassment as defined by SE.

[Awha]

Id say it would irk almost everyone,. No one talks to me like that, not in person, not elsewhere.

Where do you get this idea anyone has a right to hurl abuse anytime they feel like it, and the other person needs just sit there and take it?

No they dont and I dont. Ever. I had a friend who did that to me once. I disowned him. Had someone do that to me ingame. Blacklisted forever. If you cant get your message across without resorting to foul language or abuse, then dont talk to me at all.



You have a lot to learn about how to effectively communicate then.

I just generally have the idea that what a person says only has power over me if I allow it. Someone calls me an anti social atutis I just smile and move on cause it is true. Someone pokes fun at my race I just ignore them and move on. Someone calls me a f**king dense s**tbag and that I should get a life, depending on why they said it I may ask why they feel the way if they refuse to give a response I just move on.

Generally I just have this approach words only have power if I give them power. This was just how I was raised.

I know I have a lot to learn about communication but despite my shortcomings when it comes to communicate and social interactions I am doing my best to get through life. I treat others how I wish or prefer to be treated. I rather know exactly where I stand with a person and rather people be honest in their raw form. If that means they have to use slurs or whatever to convey what they feel in that moment so be it. Once again I do understand my way of thinking differs greatly from many.

[Penthea]

friends should be there for friends, through thick and thin, through good and bad times. friends are the family you chose, after all.
I honestly have no idea how to respond to your post because it is such an astonishing stance that I've never encountered once in my life, I'm genuinely surprised! I'm not sure if you're a narcissist or have some other kind of complex, but breaking friendships over something like that happening ONCE is not normal at all...

This really is not the same as dealing with a stranger in a game being incredibly rude.

Also no one should be made to feel at fault for having enough self respect that they won't tolerate horrible behaviour even from those they love. Having no tolerance doesn't mean you cut them off the instant they cross a line, it just means you won't allow yourself to be someone's punching bag. You tell them their behaviour is not cool, wait until they calm down, and then talk again later. No one should ever have to feel like they should endure abuse just to prove how loyal they are. Loyalty does not mean you accept any kind of treatment, it means you will always do your best for a person and sometimes that does mean showing them their behaviour needs to change, and staying with them while they work on that.

Yikes this thread.

[Rinhi]

This really is not the same as dealing with a stranger in a game being incredibly rude.

Also no one should be made to feel at fault for having enough self respect that they won't tolerate horrible behaviour even from those they love. Having no tolerance doesn't mean you cut them off the instant they cross a line, it just means you won't allow yourself to be someone's punching bag. You tell them their behaviour is not cool, wait until they calm down, and then talk again later. No one should ever have to feel like they should endure abuse just to prove how loyal they are. Loyalty does not mean you accept any kind of treatment, it means you will always do your best for a person and sometimes that does mean showing them their behaviour needs to change, and staying with them while they work on that.

Yikes this thread.

that is a effin reach and a half, I never implied one should have undying loyalty to their friends anywhere in my posts but please tell me where I did, I'd love to see it
if you'd have actually read their post, you'd also have read that they disowned their friend after a one time thing, they didn't do what you said

Having no tolerance doesn't mean you cut them off the instant they cross a line, it just means you won't allow yourself to be someone's punching bag. You tell them their behaviour is not cool, wait until they calm down, and then talk again later.

which is exactly what I was talking about in my earlier post, so I'm glad we agree on that
like, come on, it's even on the same page...

I had a friend who did that to me once. I disowned him.

here, I went through the effort to directly quote and bold the important parts of their post for you

[AnnaUK]

Lately I've found myself wondering why I bother running level cap content. Sure, it earns me better gear, but it's not like I can notice those incremental improvements without a parser. I'm on console so I can't even download one sneakily if I wanted to.

If I were into Savage/Extremes, you could make a case that I should care about my gear so that I can make those clears easier on my group. But I stopped doing PF content in Stormblood because it just causes me to burn out super fast. Regular content is pretty faceroll without great gear so my gear doesn't make or break my party.

So without any way to notice my improvement in normal content, why should I care about my item level? All I care is that I have the ilvl to enter content to get through the story and that's literally it. I don't even care to get my ilvl up for Endwalker since it'll all be available for Poetics in November anyway.

I know I don't need to have the best gear for my content. But having a parser, or even being given a grade at the end of a duty, would add so much replayability to end game content for me. I would keep working toward perfecting my gear because I could see the fruits of my labor.

Yeah I know, no one is forcing me to play level 80 stuff, I can level other jobs, there is side content, etc. Yeah I play other parts of the game. But I really wish I didn't feel like abandoning something the second it hits 80 because I've run out of goals for that job.

Please add parsers to your game SE. Casual console players would have more reason to play end game content. Item level is not fun to track. Output/throughput is!

We maybe you could make an fc with all console players? Then all that matters is working together and getting the best gear you can.

[Penthea]

here, I went through the effort to directly quote and bold the important parts of their post for you

Honestly some things are unforgivable but given we don't know what was said at best we can speculate.

The point is if a person can stop themselves from being rude then they should. Whether it's with a stranger or someone they know. We don't know why strangers aren't performing well so we shouldn't assume the worst about them and act upon it as if we do know why.

I remember a long time ago in WoW the healer went nuts at the tank because they didn't do a great job tanking in the first pull. They essentially called the tank a useless noob who didn't deserve their gear. The tank informed them that their cat got in front of the screen so they couldn't see properly and the healer calmed down...but the healer could have just calmly asked about it instead of letting their first reaction be them losing their minds and assuming the worst about the tank. This is the kind of behaviour many are concerned about when the topic of someone's performance comes up during content. And if we got an in-game parser then the topic of performance would come up much more often.

[lulunami]

Parsers are a good tool for collecting quantitative information for analysis and improvement. However, the community will devolve into ostracizing and shaming players. We see this petty, poor behavior from streamers struggling to create interesting content. Other casual players see this type of degenerate behavior and emulate bad attitudes.

At some point, the expectations of other players being 100 percent optimal and perfect all the time needs to stop. It is totally unrealistic to expect that from your friends, let alone random players.

[Miracle_Diva]

At some point, the expectations of other players being 100 percent optimal and perfect all the time needs to stop.

Who is expecting 100 percent optimal and perfect all the time?
Do you even play the game? Man, I'm a casual player, but some exaggeration here needs to stop.
So far I haven't seen any new player shaming anywhere either.
People who are against parsers use "shaming others" argument so much, yet I feel it's more of a them not wanting to meet the reality that they are not as good as they thought they are. And nothing else. Luckily, SE has great GM team that will punish harassment if it could even happen.