Parsers add replayability for casual players

[Rinhi]

If you cant, or wont, understand why I would want nothing to do with such a person, no amount of explanation will ever suffice.

I do not tolerate that kind of abuse. From anyone. Ever, and quite frankly I am astounded that you think I , or anyone else for that matter, should do so either.

friends should be there for friends, through thick and thin, through good and bad times. friends are the family you chose, after all.
I honestly have no idea how to respond to your post because it is such an astonishing stance that I've never encountered once in my life, I'm genuinely surprised!
I'm not sure if you're a narcissist or have some other kind of complex, but breaking friendships over something like that happening ONCE is not normal at all...

[Penthea]

friends should be there for friends, through thick and thin, through good and bad times. friends are the family you chose, after all.
I honestly have no idea how to respond to your post because it is such an astonishing stance that I've never encountered once in my life, I'm genuinely surprised! I'm not sure if you're a narcissist or have some other kind of complex, but breaking friendships over something like that happening ONCE is not normal at all...

This really is not the same as dealing with a stranger in a game being incredibly rude.

Also no one should be made to feel at fault for having enough self respect that they won't tolerate horrible behaviour even from those they love. Having no tolerance doesn't mean you cut them off the instant they cross a line, it just means you won't allow yourself to be someone's punching bag. You tell them their behaviour is not cool, wait until they calm down, and then talk again later. No one should ever have to feel like they should endure abuse just to prove how loyal they are. Loyalty does not mean you accept any kind of treatment, it means you will always do your best for a person and sometimes that does mean showing them their behaviour needs to change, and staying with them while they work on that.

Yikes this thread.

[Rinhi]

This really is not the same as dealing with a stranger in a game being incredibly rude.

Also no one should be made to feel at fault for having enough self respect that they won't tolerate horrible behaviour even from those they love. Having no tolerance doesn't mean you cut them off the instant they cross a line, it just means you won't allow yourself to be someone's punching bag. You tell them their behaviour is not cool, wait until they calm down, and then talk again later. No one should ever have to feel like they should endure abuse just to prove how loyal they are. Loyalty does not mean you accept any kind of treatment, it means you will always do your best for a person and sometimes that does mean showing them their behaviour needs to change, and staying with them while they work on that.

Yikes this thread.

that is a effin reach and a half, I never implied one should have undying loyalty to their friends anywhere in my posts but please tell me where I did, I'd love to see it
if you'd have actually read their post, you'd also have read that they disowned their friend after a one time thing, they didn't do what you said

Having no tolerance doesn't mean you cut them off the instant they cross a line, it just means you won't allow yourself to be someone's punching bag. You tell them their behaviour is not cool, wait until they calm down, and then talk again later.

which is exactly what I was talking about in my earlier post, so I'm glad we agree on that
like, come on, it's even on the same page...

I had a friend who did that to me once. I disowned him.

here, I went through the effort to directly quote and bold the important parts of their post for you

[Penthea]

here, I went through the effort to directly quote and bold the important parts of their post for you

Honestly some things are unforgivable but given we don't know what was said at best we can speculate.

The point is if a person can stop themselves from being rude then they should. Whether it's with a stranger or someone they know. We don't know why strangers aren't performing well so we shouldn't assume the worst about them and act upon it as if we do know why.

I remember a long time ago in WoW the healer went nuts at the tank because they didn't do a great job tanking in the first pull. They essentially called the tank a useless noob who didn't deserve their gear. The tank informed them that their cat got in front of the screen so they couldn't see properly and the healer calmed down...but the healer could have just calmly asked about it instead of letting their first reaction be them losing their minds and assuming the worst about the tank. This is the kind of behaviour many are concerned about when the topic of someone's performance comes up during content. And if we got an in-game parser then the topic of performance would come up much more often.

[lulunami]

Parsers are a good tool for collecting quantitative information for analysis and improvement. However, the community will devolve into ostracizing and shaming players. We see this petty, poor behavior from streamers struggling to create interesting content. Other casual players see this type of degenerate behavior and emulate bad attitudes.

At some point, the expectations of other players being 100 percent optimal and perfect all the time needs to stop. It is totally unrealistic to expect that from your friends, let alone random players.

[Miracle_Diva]

At some point, the expectations of other players being 100 percent optimal and perfect all the time needs to stop.

Who is expecting 100 percent optimal and perfect all the time?
Do you even play the game? Man, I'm a casual player, but some exaggeration here needs to stop.
So far I haven't seen any new player shaming anywhere either.
People who are against parsers use "shaming others" argument so much, yet I feel it's more of a them not wanting to meet the reality that they are not as good as they thought they are. And nothing else. Luckily, SE has great GM team that will punish harassment if it could even happen.

[Rinhi]

Honestly some things are unforgivable but given we don't know what was said at best we can speculate.

The point is if a person can stop themselves from being rude then they should. Whether it's with a stranger or someone they know. We don't know why strangers aren't performing well so we shouldn't assume the worst about them and act upon it as if we do know why.

some things are unforgivable, yes, but nothing about their statement indicated that. instead, the 'friend' was named in the same vein as the guy they blacklisted and given the posters usually very binary way of posts and statements, I am very sure they would have specified it if it was something unforgivable and not just being insulted for whatever reason by their friends.
I agree with the rest of your post, but again I in no way implied that people should be rude to each other or that friends should willingly endure abuse by their 'friends'. I just think the way they talked about it showed how much they truly cared about their friend (they didn't) and that someone who breaks friendships that easily over a one-time time thing shouldn't talk about issues regarding communication at all /shrug

[Penthea]

some things are unforgivable, yes, but nothing about their statement indicated that. instead, the 'friend' was named in the same vein as the guy they blacklisted and given the posters usually very binary way of posts and statements, I am very sure they would have specified it if it was something unforgivable and not just being insulted for whatever reason by their friends.

Depending on what was said they may want to keep it private. We don't know what the rude comment was about and maybe it was about something very personal.

I agree with the rest of your post, but again I in no way implied that people should be rude to each other or that friends should willingly endure abuse by their 'friends'. I just think the way they talked about it showed how much they truly cared about their friend (they didn't) and that someone who breaks friendships that easily over a one-time time thing shouldn't talk about issues regarding communication at all /shrug

My apologies I did not mean to imply that you in any way agree with being rude. It was more of a general statement directed at the "fAcTs CaN'T bE rUdE" people.

Depends. What if I were to approach some woman in the mall and gently inform her that she's ugly? Factual or not it was completely unnecessary and probably a little embarrassing for her.

This ^ also how you state a fact can hugely impact how people are going to react to your statement. There is a big difference between "you suck at the game" and "you need to improve how you play".

[VelKallor]

I agree with the rest of your post, but again I in no way implied that people should be rude to each other or that friends should willingly endure abuse by their 'friends'. I just think the way they talked about it showed how much they truly cared about their friend (they didn't) and that someone who breaks friendships that easily over a one-time time thing shouldn't talk about issues regarding communication at all /shrug

Oh I care about him a great deal, and I keep tabs on him..but until he can get whatever the hell it is thats eating him sorted, Im not here to be screamed at. There are limits.