Pronouns???

[Halivel]

What the hell did I start.....

I just thought it was an easy implementation (apparently it's not) that would appease a lot of people, both on the LGBT spectrum and those who just want gender specific attributes.

Depending on the type of realization it could be fairly simple, though we can't say for sure as the game is infamous for its "noodlecode" - something as mundane as a simple toggle may end up being a pain to implement.

That said... it's a common reaction for requesting inclusive options, sadly, especially when they have something to do with LGBT+. So it's not your fault, it's just how people on forums are.

[Haru304]

I'd like to say I'm for this being implemented, in all honesty, but the enormous amount of challenges and flack I can see coming as a result of it would not be worth the time or investment. It would quite simply be, as others have pointed out, insanity. You know what your character's 'preferred' pronouns are. You're the creator of the character. No amount of in-game text can take that away from you. My WoL definitely does not have replies or expressions that match what his actual responses would be in the story and there's a lot of ways he wouldn't allow others to refer to him. Nothing about the game is restricting your creative liberty or diversity. When you choose a female model and NPCs refer to you as 'she/her', it's because you 'probably' are 'she/her' but that doesn't mean that you have to ascribe to that way of thinking yourself. Since the game isn't inherently designed with gender identity in mind, this is very much the case. It's not meant to be exclusionary or phobic. It's meant to appeal and be read by the broadest demographic of people. Is that inherently exclusionary to an extent? Yes but it's not targeted. Many countries and cultures do not even use gendered pronouns.

[DynnDiablos]

No. It would take too long to rework all the dialogue and not worth the DEV time. People need to get over having pronouns in all aspects of life. And I say this as a member of the LGBT community and I do NOT put pronouns anywhere and that's my right not to. I didn't know it was a requirement.

[Sotaris]

What the hell did I start.....

I just thought it was an easy implementation (apparently it's not) that would appease a lot of people, both on the LGBT spectrum and those who just want gender specific attributes.

Either you’re naive or simply new to internet?

[DarkDaifuku]

I hope I can summon the hardcore ultimate raiders into here, they will tell you why this is unworthy of dev's time that is suppose to be used for working on more ultimate.

[Awha]

What the hell did I start.....

I just thought it was an easy implementation (apparently it's not) that would appease a lot of people, both on the LGBT spectrum and those who just want gender specific attributes.

You mentioned pronouns over the internet.

[Awha]

lifeprotip dont bring up LGBT anything on forums, the people who dont like LGBT folks will find any way to derail it using slippery slope arguments, bad faith, or devolve into “issa menthol iwwneth” as you see.

I dont know if it would be an easy implementation, neither do any of the people on here saying it would be hard. Its all assumptions, ahah.

It is an assumption, but not a baseless one we do have access to the code itself, and the values they use for the dialogue when it comes to addressing a player character. That said you are correct in saying we do not know how exactly how taxing it would be, but from a logistics side when everything has to be balanced around time required not just effort or difficulty in terms of determining effective use of cost.

I would say pronouns are probably below even Egi Glamour at this point.

[Penthea]

I never said it's your fault if other kids started to bully you. I just think it's was possible to not even get hurt from the start and i'm not saying it's easy. Even if other kids started and did bad things to you, understanding that you could have done a better job defending yourself is a step in the right direction (for you 1rst and maybe other ppl). Not putting too much importance to some words is a good way to not get hurt imo (just like you use a knife with caution).

How do you know I could have avoided getting hurt? You don't know me, you don't know who was involved, you don't know where it happened and you were only given very vague details about what happened. Stop acting like you're some sort of an expert on a past event, 90% of which you don't know about, that you didn't even experience.

You know what's wrong with you? My story contradicts your agenda and you don't like it. You have this idea in your head that pronoun use can only hurt you if you allow it.

This wasn't a "sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me" situation. I wish it was just name calling, but it wasn't only that and I'm not going to go into deep detail because it's futile. I don't think there's anything I can say to you to make you understand how difficult the situation was for me because for you to understand you would have to let go of the idea that pronouns can only hurt if you allow it. So instead you choose to say I failed myself by not being strong enough to keep yourself elevated. You are essentially telling a seven year old that it is partially her fault for getting upset when some boys followed her around to bully her just because she wasn't their idea of what a girl or a boy should be. You are saying it's a child's fault for feeling hurt when someone else was repeatedly doing things with the intention of causing pain.

literal victim blaming, my dude.

Exactly this.

Pls don't take it badly, i just what i think about this subject. I'm not trying to hurt you, just saying what i truly think.

Lol I'm not supposed to take it badly when you try to say seven year old me was too weak for getting upset when a group of people bullied her by making her feel that her gender identity was fundamentally flawed? When all I did was use both boy and girl toys to entertain myself?

Your words don't hurt me now because I know exactly how ridiculous you're being. But seven year old me would have been very upset to be told it's partially my fault for feeling hurt when I all I did to invite that behaviour was play with "mismatching" toys. And before you even try to say "it's your fault for making it clear that it hurt you" no one enjoys being surrounded by a large group of bullies having fun by making sure they feel wrong and unwelcome. I didn't even cry for the first few incidents but whatever facial expression I had made it obvious that I was not happy, and they took joy in that.

And I'm going to end this conversation with you here because you are frankly a complete waste of my time. Respond if you want to but I'm not going to see it. I'd rather clean my cat's litter box than engage in conversation with you. Have a good day.

[Awha]

I have always been as my old man would say an effeminate person. Got picked on for it at great deal, even to the point where I got pants once at the public pool. Having my old man sit down and more or less victim blame me helped me adjust and push through to the point where it generally takes a great deal to offend me.

Victim blaming did help me adjust and taught me I have to take care of my own issues. Only person you can really ever truly count on is yourself. Sure it is nice when you have aid, but do not count on or expect the aid to come.

My old man pretty much did call everyone soft. Always liked to say people just need to run through the tape.

[SturmChurro]

Yeah, and since I moved to this side of the US during my childhood, I experienced racism for the first time. I am from California and actually never experienced it prior, at least not as a child. I am part Spanish, and look it. I was picked on in school here for "not being American", to "Hop back over the border", and many MANY other insults. It was a culture shock, and yes, it still hurts to think about the abuse children can levy at eachother. The trick is to not let it get to you as an adult, and I actually haven't personally experienced since childhood anyway. Yes, I am aware this is the pronoun thread, but the same concept applies.