Pronouns???

[HollyJollyPaca]

What the hell did I start.....

I just thought it was an easy implementation (apparently it's not) that would appease a lot of people, both on the LGBT spectrum and those who just want gender specific attributes.

[Halivel]

What the hell did I start.....

I just thought it was an easy implementation (apparently it's not) that would appease a lot of people, both on the LGBT spectrum and those who just want gender specific attributes.

Depending on the type of realization it could be fairly simple, though we can't say for sure as the game is infamous for its "noodlecode" - something as mundane as a simple toggle may end up being a pain to implement.

That said... it's a common reaction for requesting inclusive options, sadly, especially when they have something to do with LGBT+. So it's not your fault, it's just how people on forums are.

[Awha]

What the hell did I start.....

I just thought it was an easy implementation (apparently it's not) that would appease a lot of people, both on the LGBT spectrum and those who just want gender specific attributes.

You mentioned pronouns over the internet.

[MilkieTea]

What the hell did I start.....

I just thought it was an easy implementation (apparently it's not) that would appease a lot of people, both on the LGBT spectrum and those who just want gender specific attributes.

lifeprotip dont bring up LGBT anything on forums, the people who dont like LGBT folks will find any way to derail it using slippery slope arguments, bad faith, or devolve into “issa menthol iwwneth” as you see.

I dont know if it would be an easy implementation, neither do any of the people on here saying it would be hard. Its all assumptions, ahah.

[Awha]

lifeprotip dont bring up LGBT anything on forums, the people who dont like LGBT folks will find any way to derail it using slippery slope arguments, bad faith, or devolve into “issa menthol iwwneth” as you see.

I dont know if it would be an easy implementation, neither do any of the people on here saying it would be hard. Its all assumptions, ahah.

It is an assumption, but not a baseless one we do have access to the code itself, and the values they use for the dialogue when it comes to addressing a player character. That said you are correct in saying we do not know how exactly how taxing it would be, but from a logistics side when everything has to be balanced around time required not just effort or difficulty in terms of determining effective use of cost.

I would say pronouns are probably below even Egi Glamour at this point.

[Haru304]

I'd like to say I'm for this being implemented, in all honesty, but the enormous amount of challenges and flack I can see coming as a result of it would not be worth the time or investment. It would quite simply be, as others have pointed out, insanity. You know what your character's 'preferred' pronouns are. You're the creator of the character. No amount of in-game text can take that away from you. My WoL definitely does not have replies or expressions that match what his actual responses would be in the story and there's a lot of ways he wouldn't allow others to refer to him. Nothing about the game is restricting your creative liberty or diversity. When you choose a female model and NPCs refer to you as 'she/her', it's because you 'probably' are 'she/her' but that doesn't mean that you have to ascribe to that way of thinking yourself. Since the game isn't inherently designed with gender identity in mind, this is very much the case. It's not meant to be exclusionary or phobic. It's meant to appeal and be read by the broadest demographic of people. Is that inherently exclusionary to an extent? Yes but it's not targeted. Many countries and cultures do not even use gendered pronouns.

[DynnDiablos]

No. It would take too long to rework all the dialogue and not worth the DEV time. People need to get over having pronouns in all aspects of life. And I say this as a member of the LGBT community and I do NOT put pronouns anywhere and that's my right not to. I didn't know it was a requirement.

[Kolsykol]

No. It would take too long to rework all the dialogue and not worth the DEV time. People need to get over having pronouns in all aspects of life. And I say this as a member of the LGBT community and I do NOT put pronouns anywhere and that's my right not to. I didn't know it was a requirement.

I mean everyone does have pronouns.
If you're male and identify as a man then '' he '' is still your pronoun.

I think it makes sense in most cases to just let people choose between '' he/ she '' and maybe '' they '' if it's not ultra inconvenient.
Altho honestly even when it comes to '' they '' I am kinda already beginning to become a bit meh about it, I have a really hard time believing that some people don't identify at least a little bit stronger with one but fine.
I just see a lot of people who use that pronoun who VERY clearly presents one way it feels a bit ridiculous.

As soon as we step out of that tho and we get into '' Zie, Sie, Ey, Ve, '' etc I mean at that point sorry but just stop being obnoxious...
I really feel like that stuff also does severe harm to Trans people because it turns gender identity into a complete joke to most people.

[Penthea]

No. It would take too long to rework all the dialogue and not worth the DEV time. People need to get over having pronouns in all aspects of life. And I say this as a member of the LGBT community and I do NOT put pronouns anywhere and that's my right not to. I didn't know it was a requirement.

...do you even know what a pronoun is? From this you are saying you never use words like she, he, they, etc. I seriously doubt you speak with those sort of words entirely absent from your vocabulary.

The LGBTQ+ community didn't invent the concept of pronouns lol

[Sotaris]

What the hell did I start.....

I just thought it was an easy implementation (apparently it's not) that would appease a lot of people, both on the LGBT spectrum and those who just want gender specific attributes.

Either you’re naive or simply new to internet?