Pronouns???

[Callinon]

OT: Merely changing the pronoun used for the PC to the other gender wouldn't be that difficult. Adding MORE pronouns would be insanely difficult. Especially something like "they/their" because it f's with sentence structure in English. I know other languages also have complicated relationships with gendered pronouns, but in general just changing the PC between male/female pronouns wouldn't be all that hard.

[Coletergeist]

Idk why we're even still discussing anything in this thread, it should've died a long time ago.

[MicahZerrshia]

Agreed. Or when fc’s put “lgbt friendly”. You shouldn’t have to put that. It should be assumed.

Yes it should be. But there are FCs out there that are openly hostile or have members that are extremely hostile to lgbt folks or poc. Just like in real life, you don't want to go hang out at a place that you are not comfortable or feel welcome at. And in a time where ppl are still being beaten, killed, shunned and abused because of their sexuality, it's nice to know the places that are welcoming so they can simply go in and feel at ease. I mean this is the whole reason lbgt bars and shops exist in the first place. Many players, just like ppl irl, do not actually advertise their sexuality, but they also don't want to sit there and listen to homophobic comments constantly and then be told to just get over it. And that doesn't even go just for gay ppl. Not every straight person wants to hear it either.

We had this in an old static I was in, every other word out of one of the members mouth was a slur of some sort. Then when asked, politely, by the straight fc leader to be a little respectful to their fc mates because everyone deserves to feel welcome in the group, the response was, well...cringy and caused all sorts of drama. Not from the ppl who just wanted to play the game and have fun with their mates, but from the ppl who thought it was their first amendment right to be as hateful as they possibly could be. And tried (unsuccessfully) for over a month to bring the whole guild crashing down just because they were asked to not use certain words.

Simply saying lgbtq friendly in your fc advert or asking ppl in your guild to be respectful of other members is not pushing it in anyone's face. It's simply stating "hey, we got you bro" to the ppl who want to know they can play the game without listening to some idiot try to be edgy, and "move-on" to the ppl who don't or won't understand because they don't themselves. Or worse, those who actively try to ruin another player's experience for such asinine reasons as their sexuality.

If you really do not understand, consider yourself lucky that you have never had to enter spaces irl or online on a daily basis and wonder if you are going to be accepted or be in danger for simply existing.

Those are a dime a dozen, now where are my "traditional, conservative" FCs. Those are rare.

They are also a dime a dozen, but don't tend to have many members. So my suggestion would be, make one. Help the ones that exist advertise and gain members. Use 'conservatives only' in your adverts. There is literally nothing stopping you.

[MPK]

Yes it should be. But there are FCs out there that are openly hostile or have members that are extremely hostile to lgbt folks or poc. Just like in real life, you don't want to go hang out at a place that you are not comfortable or feel welcome at. And in a time where ppl are still being beaten, killed, shunned and abused because of their sexuality, it's nice to know the places that are welcoming so they can simply go in and feel at ease. I mean this is the whole reason lbgt bars and shops exist in the first place. Many players, just like ppl irl, do not actually advertise their sexuality, but they also don't want to sit there and listen to homophobic comments constantly and then be told to just get over it. And that doesn't even go just for gay ppl. Not every straight person wants to hear it either.

We had this in an old static I was in, every other word out of one of the members mouth was a slur of some sort. Then when asked, politely, by the straight fc leader to be a little respectful to their fc mates because everyone deserves to feel welcome in the group, the response was, well...cringy and caused all sorts of drama. Not from the ppl who just wanted to play the game and have fun with their mates, but from the ppl who thought it was their first amendment right to be as hateful as they possibly could be. And tried (unsuccessfully) for over a month to bring the whole guild crashing down just because they were asked to not use certain words.

Simply saying lgbtq friendly in your fc advert or asking ppl in your guild to be respectful of other members is not pushing it in anyone's face. It's simply stating "hey, we got you bro" to the ppl who want to know they can play the game without listening to some idiot try to be edgy, and "move-on" to the ppl who don't or won't understand because they don't themselves. Or worse, those who actively try to ruin another player's experience for such asinine reasons as their sexuality.

If you really do not understand, consider yourself lucky that you have never had to enter spaces irl or online on a daily basis and wonder if you are going to be accepted or be in danger for simply existing.

Literally no one swears or says slurs ingame or shun players of their race/sexuality because of how ban happy the GMs are in this game. Do you even raid? You don't even have any mounts or achievements for savage so what static is this for?

[Vahlnir]

Simply saying lgbtq friendly in your fc advert or asking ppl in your guild to be respectful of other members is not pushing it in anyone's face. It's simply stating "hey, we got you bro" to the ppl who want to know they can play the game without listening to some idiot try to be edgy, and "move-on" to the ppl who don't or won't understand because they don't themselves. Or worse, those who actively try to ruin another player's experience for such asinine reasons as their sexuality.

Pretty much this. Unfortunately, people can be that terrible. It's the world we live in. Having such spaces where players can be themselves isn't a bad thing at all.

[MicahZerrshia]

Literally no one swears or says slurs ingame because of how ban happy the GMs are in this game. Do you even raid? You don't even have any mounts or achievements for savage so what static is this for?

Known, and very poor troll account I know. But this was on discord during ARR/HW. See all those ponies and birds. I did raid before I got too busy in college. Nice try tho.

[MPK]

Known, and very poor troll account I know. But this was on discord during ARR/HW. See all those ponies and birds. I did raid before I got too busy in college. Nice try tho.

Literally no one makes statics for Extremes. Hell, I've never even been asked about what my Sexuality/Race is. Why does it matter for raiding? Literally no one goes out of their way to attack someone for no reason in this game especially due to how ban happy the GMs are.

[Tyssyn]

I think when it came to the creation, it was the face options? I'm not exactly sure but that's what I assume. That and I think Lala was their last resort cause they couldn't get that female presentation in other races without actually being female (the other races def aren't as ambiguous face wise)

I think - although I can't be super positive - that there are some male miqo'te faces that paired with more feminine hairstyles, look very feminine. Just an idea for your friend to check out in the character creation.

[iVolke]

Imagine not being able to function over video game identity politics. How does your friend play any game?

[Lanadra]

Going to be a bit blunt.. and perhaps a bit rude here. This is a fantasy game with rules set for how and what things are. With a request like this all I want to know is the following: How does this work by the rules of this setting? All the playable races are from everything we have seen of a binary nature, male and female. Thus what you request on behalf of your friend is not necessary, nor would it fit in.

Look, I get that it is of a 'personal preference' nature based entirely on IRL. But sometimes you have to recognize and accept that the setting of a game is not meant to take into account and accommodate real life. Do you know why skin color is never brought up as an issue in this game's setting? Because it isn't one. That generic darker skinned Viera NPC is not treated any differently than the other Viera NPC with lighter skin. Even the discrimination that is there, for example towards Ala Mhigans, has nothing to do with skin color and everything with them being 'filthy refugees', has everything to do with reasons rooted in the narrative, not real life.

Ultimately my view is this: You play a character in this setting, of a race and gender that abides by the rules of the setting. Disconnect from the character. Acknowledge that the character is not you and is not meant to represent who you are in real life. It is most definitely what I'd advise your friend to try to do. Now, in player interaction, that's an entirely different matter, you can request friends/acquaintances and if you wish attempt to ask even strangers to respect preferred pronouns. Obviously in interactions with other people it does matter more.