Pronouns???

[Burmecia]

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Does being transgender/non-binary make you hyper vigilant about pronouns? Is that symptom of depression and anxiety originating from pain caused by dysphoric feelings, or is that just normal and healthy thing?
Askin as cis-f who plays male character/s.
NPCs calling my character he/him never made me wanna crawl out of my skin; NPCs practically calling me he/him never made me wanna crawl out of my skin.
Don't wanna denigrate OP's friend's pain, but in my heart of hearts, personally, I see only negligible problem.

[Sotaris]

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Does being transgender/non-binary make you hyper vigilant about pronouns?

Seems that way, and they all left or far left on the political scale as well.

Despite understanding how much trouble implementing this would be, I think having the option for this would be beneficial and worth the time spent.

X to doubt.

[MilkieTea]

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Does being transgender/non-binary make you hyper vigilant about pronouns? Is that symptom of depression and anxiety originating from pain caused by dysphoric feelings, or is that just normal and healthy thing?
Askin as cis-f who plays male character/s.
NPCs calling my character he/him never made me wanna crawl out of my skin; NPCs practically calling me he/him never made me wanna crawl out of my skin.
Don't wanna denigrate OP's friend's pain, but in my heart of hearts, personally, I see only negligible problem.

Think about it like this: everyone around you is born with the inherent knowledge of their gender and s*x lining up. They don’t have the mismatch, they don’t have the question of “why is this wrong, why do I feel wrong?”

When you finally understand what’s going on with your body, that it doesn’t line up with your gender that your brain is saying it should, you can work to change it. For some people, it’s enough to JUST be called their preferred pronouns and name, and that relieves the mismatched feeling. For others, it’s not.

Not having the mismatched feeling of your body lining up with your gender does, actually, help with being misconstrued as the opposite of what you are, because it doesn’t trigger that mismatched feeling, the feeling of things not quite adding up.

Gender is different for everyone, and some people (like myself) only feel a bit off put by being misgendered. (Which is why I can handle being called she/her in game and on forums, I bring it upon myself by using fem characters for the aEsTheTiC) For others (like my boyfriend) it’s a daily struggle knowing you’re going to get ma’am’d at the store and having to smile through it, knowing you worked SO HARD to get to where you are.

It’s like if you spent hundreds of dollars and five months, dying your hair blonde, and everyone looks at it and goes “I like your blue hair!”. You wonder if you messed up, if it really is blue, is it worth trying to go further blonde, is everyone around you deliberately calling it blue to rile you up or are you just dumb for thinking you could ever pass for a blonde? But even worse because you have an inherent NEED to be blonde, it feels like the only way to align your body and mind.

A lot of peoples dysphoria is based on perception, too. It’s enough for me if my close circle perceive me as masculine in real life, and just because I play a female character in game doesn’t mean the people in my life will perceive me any less masculine. It’s not enough for my boyfriend. I hate comparing it to mental illness (because while it can CONTRIBUTE to mental illness, it isn’t. That’s like saying needing braces is a mental illness. The bullying that you’ll receive, sure, the feeling like things are wrong, those things can contribute to mental illnesses like depression and anxiety, but there are different treatments for depression and anxiety, and gender transitioning is one thing that can treat it for people with dysphoria.), but just like how depression is different for everyone, so to is dysphoria.

[Lanadra]

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Thank you. That was actually quite informative. It's interesting to get a glimpse into why this might be so important to transgender people. Because it can often be very easy to feel like it's 'just someone being overly sensitive' or that someone is just trying to virtue signal. Especially if you don't deal with gender issues and the topic of 'gender' just isn't a part of ones daily life.

I will reiterate my own point about the matter of pronouns in the game. My only objection is the technical aspect and that I'd prefer they spent the development time it would thus take elsewhere. Were it not for the technical aspect I'd really only hold to 'options are good'.

[Vasoka]

Yeah, no. Like, go to WoW - Blizzard caters to this nowadays, especially underlined by the pulled out of the ass Chromie announcement from a week ago. That was the straw that broke the camel's back for myself and many others included. Shoving trans ppl in an effort to normalize them in your game doesn't make it better, it only irritates and vexes the normal people still left playing it (not a lot of them in WoW at this point, unforch).

As for the proposed pronoun selection, it's a complete waste of dev time and resources and no Japanese person will ever even consider adding this unless they suddenly LOSE THEIR MINDS and turn into western leftists. Which I hope never happens, or I'll need to be MMO swapping again.

Don't even try bringing these mental deviations to a Japanese game which should be, for the most part at least, conservative and normal (yes, I said normal. Gender dysphoria is a mental sickness and I truly hope that everyone affected by it finds the help they need, and I am not being even remotely ironic or spiteful when I say that. I do wish you all the best) .

The overly loud LBTQ minority has poisoned beautiful fantasy worlds (note the word, fantasy), with their 2020/2021 leftist politics for long enough and it needs to stop. WoW's gone in this regard, completely gone. Don't allow the same to happen to FF.

[Penthea]

Yeah, no. Like, go to WoW - Blizzard caters to this nowadays, especially underlined by the pulled out of the ass Chromie announcement from a week ago. That was the straw that broke the camel's back for myself and many others included. Shoving trans ppl in an effort to normalize them in your game doesn't make it better, it only irritates and vexes the normal people still left playing it

I am "normal" and I really am not bothered by seeing anything LGBTQ+ related in games. Please don't assume you speak for all of us.

[Iplewhelmed]

I'm for it in theory because I like inclusion and more options for customization, even if I personally wouldn't use it that extensively as an indivudual who fit squarely into the cishet category.

In practice however, I think a feature like pronoun choice would just cause a bunch of irrational edgebabies to create troll character where they make the most masculine and least color-coordinated roe/hroth/highlander imaginable and then run around spouting unoriginal material like "it's MA'AM!!!!!" and "did you just assume my gender??!?!" and "respect my pronouns or I'm gonna 41 percent myself!!!!!!1" and revel in the triggering they delude themselves into thinking they are causing actual transfolk. The fact that this thread alone has people triggered about other people existing outside the gender binary is already proof of that.

[MilkieTea]

Thank you. That was actually quite informative. It's interesting to get a glimpse into why this might be so important to transgender people. Because it can often be very easy to feel like it's 'just someone being overly sensitive' or that someone is just trying to virtue signal. Especially if you don't deal with gender issues and the topic of 'gender' just isn't a part of ones daily life.

I will reiterate my own point about the matter of pronouns in the game. My only objection is the technical aspect and that I'd prefer they spent the development time it would thus take elsewhere. Were it not for the technical aspect I'd really only hold to 'options are good'.

Oh trust me, I know. A lot of people misconstrue the virtue-signalers as being far-left but the further left you go the more we absolutely HATE virtue signaling. Virtue-signaling is something centrists and generic-leftists do to make it feel like theyre having an impact on the world when theyre really not.

I just prefer everyone with opinions say it with their chest, ahah. If youve got shitty opinions Im not gonna get mad at you, or denigrate you for them, Im just not gonna wanna talk to you. Theres no hard feelings, Im not offended, I just... dont wanna talk to you. (Thats a general you, not at all pointed directly towards YOU, Lanadra! ^.~)

I also said a few pages back that I understand it’d be quite a difficult undertaking and probably not something Devs would do. IMO if they did, theyd only do it at a bare minimum (a he/she toggle, probably). Its all got to do with ROI. Though I think it would proabbly be a pretty good gilsink for some people!

[Juzjuzz]

I never completly understood the pronouns problems tbh. Pronouns are not here for feelings, it tells what you are born with. I think intersex ppl are different (born with both male and female part if i'm not wrong), i heard they could choose but even then it's not there to say how they should be or how ppl should see them.

Making pronouns choices avaidable is not a great idea imo. It's a complex subject and i'm sure SE doesnt want to end up fucking up, so keeping the usual female called "she" and male called "he" is okay. You can play a female character if you want a more feminine pov and a male if you want a more masculine pov. But tbh it changes almost nothing in the story and your friend has probably played at least 1 game where you can't even create your character, it's not that bad.

[Penthea]

I never completly understood the pronouns problems tbh. Pronouns are not here for feelings

But they are. Even outside of LGBTQ+ circles people do purposefully use incorrect pronouns to hurt someone. I'm cis and straight, and grew up around people who are cis and straight, and when I was a child some of those people sometimes referred to me as "he" just because I liked doing some stuff that was traditionally for boys. I wasn't even a tomboy, I still liked many girly things. But I also liked toys and cartoons that were aimed at boys. Some people thought I shouldn't be engaging in both and would refer to me as "he" with the intention of shaming me.

I knew nothing about LGBTQ+ at that age, there was no social movement regarding pronouns at the time...and it still hurt me when I was referred to as if I was a boy when I knew myself to be a girl. Intentional incorrect use of pronouns was a tool used to bully me. Incorrect pronouns being directed at someone isn't something that can only begin when someone who is LGBTQ+ is involved. I have seen cis and straight adults do this to one another when a person deems someone to be acting inappropriately for their gender.

What I went through is not comparable to someone trans being referred to as the gender they don't identify with given I did not ever suffer from body or gender related dysphoria, but I still do understand that it's hurtful when people use pronouns that you don't feel match who you are because that has happened to me. It sucks to say the least.

I'm very fortunate that period of my life didn't last for very long. If only every trans and non-binary person could say the same.